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Old February 1 2015, 04:11 AM   #1
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NuKhan Crying? LOL !

Sorry but i really don't like the alternate universe movies. The prime than never had such slobbering fits as .nu Khan . The scene in the detention cell was the worst. Cumberpatch even quivered his lip when he started to cry. Abrams really has added a weakness and over sensitivity to the heroes and the villains. Really sucks.

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Old February 1 2015, 04:19 AM   #2
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^ It just shows how manipulative Khan can be. He can convincingly simulate emotional responses so as to get people to do what he wants.

I mean, I don't seriously think Khan is actually capable of genuine emotion like that. It's all been bred out of his kind. But he can still fake it.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:32 AM   #3
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no the crying was real. Remember he turned his back from kirk and Spock when he started to blubber.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:32 AM   #4
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Sorry but i really don't link the alternate universe movies. The prime than never had such slobbering fits as .nu Khan . Ithe scene in the detention cell was the worst. Cumberpatch even quivered his lip when he started to cry. Alarms really has added a weakness and over sensitivity to the heroes and the villains. Really sucks.
link? Alarms? You place too much faith in auto correct.

Spock's Naked Time breakdown is a "slobbering fit" rivaling NuKhan's. I'm sure there are others.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:34 AM   #5
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I'm using my phone. Sorry. I corrected the mistakes.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:35 AM   #6
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no the crying was real. Remember he turned his back from kirk and Spock when he started to blubber.
But they surely could still tell he was (making a simulation of) crying. You don't have to look directly at someone's face to know what they are feeling. At the very least, they could still hear him.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:37 AM   #7
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Re: NuKhan Crying? LOL !

Spock was under the influence of a virus in the naked time. What's nukhans excuse? We are talking about a leader that nearly took over much of earth for Pete's sake.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:41 AM   #8
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But they surely could still tell he was (making a simulation of) crying.
Not if he's a better actor than Cumberbatch, and as an advanced human, he probably is.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:41 AM   #9
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no the crying was real. Remember he turned his back from kirk and Spock when he started to blubber.
But they surely could still tell he was (making a simulation of) crying. You don't have to look directly at someone's face to know what they are feeling. At the very least, they could still hear him.

LoL. Why would he go through the trouble of making a blubber face when his back was turned?
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^ It's not just his face. As I said, they could still hear him.

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What's nukhans excuse?
Do you mean, why do I think he was faking it? He was an Augment; that's what they do.

Augments are unable to feel normal human emotion - all they care about is power and ambition. They are literally incapable of feeling anything else but that. They were specifically engineered to be so. (If you doubt me, look at how Khan treated Marla McGivers when they first met in 'Space Seed'.)

And not only that, but in STID, Khan basically admitted that his group's ultimate goal was genocide - the destruction of all normal (non-engineered) humans.

As for Spock...Vulcans still have emotion. They don't express it, but they still have it. (Only the Kolinahr adepts have actually eliminated emotion.) So it would not be impossible for Spock to have a 'blubbering' fit like we saw him do.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:43 AM   #11
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^ It's not just his face. As I said, they could still hear him.

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What's nukhans excuse?
Do you mean, why do I think he was faking it? He was an Augment; that's what they do.

Augments are unable to feel normal human emotion - all they care about is power and ambition. They are literally incapable of feeling anything else but that. They were specifically engineered to be so. (If you doubt me, look at how Khan treated Marla McGivers when they first met in 'Space Seed'.)

And not only that, but in STID, Khan basically admitted that his group's ultimate goal was genocide - the destruction of all normal (non-engineered) humans.




He was crying like a baby for his people. Admit it. He was not faking.
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^ We've also seen how Augments will turn on each other whenever it suits them...look at all the infighting going on amongst Arik Soong's group in the ENT mini-arc. And of course the Augments that took over a quarter of Earth in the Eugenics Wars were fond of fighting amongst themselves.

So you'll forgive me if I doubt Khan's sincerity when he claims he cares anything about his 'people'. By definition he could not care about anyone but himself. He was MADE to be that way.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:52 AM   #13
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^ We've also seen how Augments will turn on each other whenever it suits them...look at all the infighting going on amongst Arik Soong's group in the ENT mini-arc. And of course the Augments that took over a quarter of Earth in the Eugenics Wars were fond of fighting amongst themselves.

So you'll forgive me if I doubt Khan's sincerity when he claims he cares anything about his 'people'. By definition he could not care about anyone but himself. He was MADE to be that way.
When ricardo played than he cared about his people. In wrath of Khan when his second in command died he swore he would avenge him. Notice in that scene Khan wasn't blundering like a wuss.
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Old February 1 2015, 04:57 AM   #14
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I mean, I don't seriously think Khan is actually capable of genuine emotion like that. It's all been bred out of his kind. But he can still fake it.
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Augments are unable to feel normal human emotion - all they care about is power and ambition. They are literally incapable of feeling anything else but that. They were specifically engineered to be so. (If you doubt me, look at how Khan treated Marla McGivers when they first met in 'Space Seed'.)
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So you'll forgive me if I doubt Khan's sincerity when he claims he cares anything about his 'people'. By definition he could not care about anyone but himself. He was MADE to be that way.
Are you sure you're not just assuming something which was never in the script?

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When ricardo played than[sic] he cared about his people.
And CumberKhan didn't? Are you sure you didn't miss a scene or two?
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Old February 1 2015, 05:05 AM   #15
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I mean, I don't seriously think Khan is actually capable of genuine emotion like that. It's all been bred out of his kind. But he can still fake it.
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Augments are unable to feel normal human emotion - all they care about is power and ambition. They are literally incapable of feeling anything else but that. They were specifically engineered to be so. (If you doubt me, look at how Khan treated Marla McGivers when they first met in 'Space Seed'.)
Are you sure you're not just assuming something which was never in the script?

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When ricardo played than[sic] he cared about his people.
And CumberKhan didn't? Are you sure you didn't miss a scene or two?
I was responding to laserbeam saying that .nu.khan doesn't really care about his peopleonly himself and that he was faking. He wasn't. NuKhans blundering proved he did. Prime Khan was better in that he proclaimed vengeance and did it without blubbering like a little baby.

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