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Old April 16 2014, 05:37 AM   #1
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JJTrek, representing the whole world with ship names

Since the foreign box office is a much bigger deal than it used to how about some ships named after people not from European and North American history. I would prefer those to be named after resonably enlightened people if it's possible not the usual mass murderers.

i nominate the USS Yue Fei. He was a suprisingly decent human being despite living in the middle ages as far as i know.
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Old April 16 2014, 07:04 AM   #2
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Since the foreign box office is a much bigger deal than it used to how about some ships named after people not from European and North American history.
You'd have to talk to the scriptwriters about that. We as simple fans don't have the power to make those decisions.

I would prefer those to be named after reasonably enlightened people if it's possible not the usual mass murderers.
I'm confused. Are you asking to not have ships named after foreign mass murderers, or are you saying that the ships already named were named for (presumably European and North American) mass murderers? If the latter, I was unaware that Isaac Newton, Harry Truman, David Farragut, Samuel Hood or Ray Bradbury were mass murderers.
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Old April 16 2014, 09:18 AM   #3
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Harry killed 'em when he played piano.

And he dropped a couple of bombs on Japan.
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Old April 16 2014, 10:30 AM   #4
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You'd have to talk to the scriptwriters about that. We as simple fans don't have the power to make those decisions.
We are just speculating and wishing here.

I'm confused. Are you asking to not have ships named after foreign mass murderers, or are you saying that the ships already named were named for (presumably European and North American) mass murderers? If the latter, I was unaware that Isaac Newton, Harry Truman, David Farragut, Samuel Hood or Ray Bradbury were mass murderers.
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There is just a tendency for people to name ships after mass murderers because they are famous. i think Trek should be above that. Are you sure about Truman?
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Old April 16 2014, 10:50 AM   #5
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Out of interest, which Star Trek ships do you consider named after famous mass murderers?
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Old April 16 2014, 11:27 AM   #6
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Cortez
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Old April 16 2014, 02:03 PM   #7
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Game, match and set.

And the aforementioned Truman, of course.
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Old April 16 2014, 02:44 PM   #8
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1) That is pretty obscure.
2) You're using a ship from the Prime Universe as an example in your argument against naming practices in the Abramsverse.
3) What Abrams really needs to learn is to drop the leading zeroes in the registries.

Oh come on, you knew I had to mention that one.
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Old April 16 2014, 03:09 PM   #9
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2. Because we barely have Abramsverse ships.

1. U would not say that if it was the USS Hitler.
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Old April 16 2014, 03:22 PM   #10
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Yep, Cortez isn't what I'd call obscure.
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Old April 16 2014, 03:53 PM   #11
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Yep, Cortez isn't what I'd call obscure.
I would think that people considering Cortez and his crimes obscure is all the more reason to increase education about the brutal history of colonialism.
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Old April 16 2014, 04:16 PM   #12
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I suspect that there would be less debate from some quarters if there was a USS Che, despite that individual's record of incompetence and mass murder.

I would argue with the above poster about Truman, but this is not the time or place to have the Atomic Bombing vs. Invade Japan debate again.
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Old April 16 2014, 04:23 PM   #13
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Yep, Cortez isn't what I'd call obscure.
I would think that people considering Cortez and his crimes obscure is all the more reason to increase education about the brutal history of colonialism.
How do we know it isn't named for some other Cortez? Memory Alpha only has a guess as to it's namesake.
She might be named after Mexican Folk Hero Gregorio Cortez or Brazilian actor Raul Cortez.
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Old April 16 2014, 04:59 PM   #14
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I suspect that there would be less debate from some quarters if there was a USS Che, despite that individual's record of incompetence and mass murder.

I would argue with the above poster about Truman, but this is not the time or place to have the Atomic Bombing vs. Invade Japan debate again.
If we assume that Truman just wanted to shorten the war not send a message to the soviets that is still something that Section 31 would be proud off, not Starfleet.
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She might be named after Mexican Folk Hero Gregorio Cortez or Brazilian actor Raul Cortez.

Or Drag Queen legend, Sheeya Mann Cortez.
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