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Old February 19 2013, 03:08 PM   #91
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Pope Allegedly Sought Immunity For Abuse Crimes Just Before Resigning LINK

Said immunity was sought because rumors has it that some international body was about to issue an arrest warrant for the Pope. Here's a link to a whole mess of links about such, via Google LINK
Very interesting.

I consider it very unlikely that the Ex-Pope will go to jail. Even if he will end up in a trial and found guilty.
Considering his age and health the worst that will happen to him is some form of mild house arrest and the church will happily provide a nice golden cage for him.

I hope, though, that this will trigger a full blown investigation that destroys this conspiracy once and for all and the church gets new people in charge who are on the side of justice for a change.

If that happens the whole celebacy thing should also be abolished, as it's a major driving force of priests acting on their darker impulses.

And they need to know, that they can and will be held responsible.
Everone that commits those atrocities in the first place and everyone who helps with cover-ups.
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Old February 19 2013, 03:20 PM   #92
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I'll be less skeptical of these allegations when the New York Times carries them.
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Old February 19 2013, 04:19 PM   #93
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the whole celebacy thing should also be abolished, as it's a major driving force of priests acting on their darker impulses.
Timelord Victorious, if you have any actual evidence of celibacy being the driving force, please cite it. 'Cause I've never seen any. Many convicted pedophiles are married. The first clergy person I ever heard of molesting a child, decades ago, was a married Episcopal priest. Teachers, Boy Scout leaders and doctors are not required to be celibate, and plenty of them have been charged with various inappropriate actions with their students/scouts/patients.

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I'll be less skeptical of these allegations when the New York Times carries them.
This.

And when Snopes.com posts their conclusion. Right now it says they're researching the allegations.

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Old February 19 2013, 10:35 PM   #94
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Timelord Victorious, if you have any actual evidence of celibacy being the driving force, please cite it. 'Cause I've never seen any. Many convicted pedophiles are married.
That proves it!


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Old February 19 2013, 11:15 PM   #95
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Well, if I generalized a bit much I apologize.

But I didn't say celibacy is the driving force, I said it is a major driving force. There is a difference.
And of course not only celibate people turn into pedophile sex predators.

i think, most people would agree that most pedophiles have a psychological predisposition of some kind.
I doubt they go out of their way to be evil.

However, I also think, that suppressing your general sexual instincts will certainly not help keep those darker urges in check if you have them.
There is a good chance it will amplify them eventually... in my layman opinion.

And just to be clear, I don't have seen any studies, so it is not a proven statement. So take it as just an opinion.

That said, are there even any studies on percentages of pedophile priests compared to the general public?

At best, there won't be any difference.
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Old February 20 2013, 07:04 AM   #96
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I saw this thread, and I'll I can think of is for a while we're going to have a Nope instead of a Pope...
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Old February 20 2013, 03:43 PM   #97
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^Groan.

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Well, if I generalized a bit much I apologize.....

So take it as just an opinion.
That works.

That said, are there even any studies on percentages of pedophile priests compared to the general public?

At best, there won't be any difference.
I haven't seen any studies. My suspicion is that any occupation that provides extensive access to children would have a higher percentage of pedophiles than occupations that don't.
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Old February 20 2013, 10:34 PM   #98
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^Groan.
Multiple 14 hours days, I'm digging deep for any minor chuckles...
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Old February 20 2013, 11:23 PM   #99
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Old February 20 2013, 11:41 PM   #100
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^Groan.
Multiple 14 hours days, I'm digging deep for any minor chuckles...
I recommend fish jokes, and lots of them.
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Old February 21 2013, 12:52 AM   #101
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^Groan.
Multiple 14 hours days, I'm digging deep for any minor chuckles...
I recommend fish jokes, and lots of them.
Your timing codn't be better. I went out to dinner with a friend, and we both haddock fish.
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Old February 21 2013, 02:17 AM   #102
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^ Was it salmon chanted evening?

At least you didn't spend the whole night downloading prawn from the net.
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Old February 21 2013, 06:54 AM   #103
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- Paul, crucified upside down, because he felt unworthy to die the same death as Jesus Christ.
You are incorrect. Christian tradition holds that the Apostle Paul was martyred, likely by beheading. There is no documented evidence that he was crucified. The only evidence of his death that we have is in the writings of St. Ignatius, whose writings noted the death and martyrdom of Paul.
Sector 7 meant St. Peter. Peter is said to have been crucified upside down. St. Paul was beheaded as you say.
Thank you for the correction. Indeed, I was thinking of Peter and typing Paul. Such a slip, however, does not invalidate the principles of the argument... or the definition of a martyr.

Paul had much to write about the requirements of a bishop/pastor. One of the requirements is to be the husband of one wife. Priests do not meet the requirement, because the Catholic Church forbids them to marry. [1 Timothy 3:2]

Jesus himself said, "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." [Matthew 23:9] Yet Catholic priests are titled Father so-and-so.

I have never understood these incongruities which are clearly outlined in the New Testament. That and grown men wearing dresses and being denied the option to "be fruitful and multiply" were deal-breakers to a young me. [Of course, once I finally came to terms with being gay... all bets were off anyway!]
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Old February 21 2013, 06:59 AM   #104
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Ok I'm hooked....
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Old February 26 2013, 08:53 PM   #105
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The Pope will retain his name, assume the title "Pope Emeritus" and be styled as "His Holiness, Benedict XVI". He'll also keep the white papal garb with the exception of the cape and red shoes.
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