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Old March 26 2013, 08:29 PM   #46
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Re: Star Trek Enterprise: The most "likable" cast?

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In my world, Mayweather would've been a former freighter captain who lost his ship and crew and was recruited by Starfleet because of his experience in dealing with other races.
Yeah, if there is one thing I'm sure a budding Starfleet needed was starship personnel (especially navigators) well-seasoned in the skill set of losing ships and crews.
Just because you may have made a mistake doesn't automatically mean your worthless.
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Old March 26 2013, 08:32 PM   #47
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Re: Star Trek Enterprise: The most "likable" cast?

Now that I've thought about a grizzled and permanently pissed-off Mayweather played by Andre Braugher rolling his eyes every time Archer opens his mouth, it makes me want to rewrite the whole series, line by line. "A gazelle? You CANNOT be SERIOUS Captain!"
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Old March 26 2013, 08:50 PM   #48
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In my world, Mayweather would've been a former freighter captain who lost his ship and crew and was recruited by Starfleet because of his experience in dealing with other races.
Yeah, if there is one thing I'm sure a budding Starfleet needed was starship personnel (especially navigators) well-seasoned in the skill set of losing ships and crews.
Just because you may have made a mistake doesn't automatically mean your worthless.
Way to trivialize. Loss of ship and crew equals "mistake" - like mixing in colors with whites when doing laundry or casting Jolene Blalock in an important role.
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Old March 26 2013, 08:55 PM   #49
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Now that I've thought about a grizzled and permanently pissed-off Mayweather played by Andre Braugher rolling his eyes every time Archer opens his mouth, it makes me want to rewrite the whole series, line by line.

Really, that's what inspires you to want to rewrite "Enterprise?" How about everything from the pilot to the series' finale as inspiration for such an all-encompassing re-write!?!?
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Old March 26 2013, 09:55 PM   #50
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Old March 27 2013, 04:04 AM   #51
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Really, that's what inspires you to want to rewrite "Enterprise?" How about everything from the pilot to the series' finale as inspiration for such an all-encompassing re-write!?!?
Great idea! You know what? You should do that. Goodbye, and good luck.
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Old March 27 2013, 09:10 PM   #52
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Why do we have a "vomit" smiley but no "yawn" smiley?
Because it would be overused when critiquing "Enterprise."


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Old March 28 2013, 03:21 AM   #53
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Really, that's what inspires you to want to rewrite "Enterprise?" How about everything from the pilot to the series' finale as inspiration for such an all-encompassing re-write!?!?
Great idea! You know what? You should do that. Goodbye, and good luck.
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Old March 29 2013, 12:06 AM   #54
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Re: Star Trek Enterprise: The most "likable" cast?

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Why do we have a "vomit" smiley but no "yawn" smiley?
Because it would be overused when critiquing "Enterprise."




Good gravy, how many threads did you take a crap in, anyway? I've lost count. If I had the time and energy you've wasted with your screeds, I would certainly be doing something productive with it.

Stop. Stop now. Behave yourself, or go to TNZ. No more, or the warnings will commence.
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Old March 29 2013, 04:44 AM   #55
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Re: Star Trek Enterprise: The most "likable" cast?

Hopeful Romantic aren't those KPop boys beautiful? I love it. I've often posted K-Pop to the music threads.

As to most likable cast, I like so many people in VOY, DS9 and ENT that I can't really elevate one cast above another. But I do think there's a lot of great chemistry in the ENT crew. One thing that stands out is they all bring out character with each other, not something always seen. By that I mean you learn more about everyone when Reed interacts with them, or Trip etc.. but in some shows there are particular characters that fill that role of bring out personality in the whole crew.
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Old March 30 2013, 05:36 AM   #56
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Hopeful Romantic aren't those KPop boys beautiful? I love it.
Yes, yes they are. And I do too. It always puts a smile on my face and makes me want to dance. Like my sister says, everything's better with K-pop.

As for the Enterprise crew, I liked them all from the start. Even T'Pol and Soval when they were uppity. There was wonderful chemisty, and terrific one-on-one scenes with different characters. Jon and Trip watching a game with beer and pretzels. Hoshi teaching the captain how to insult like a Tellarite. Cutler flirting with Phlox. T'Pol learning to appreciate pecan pie. Malcolm's birthday cake. Travis in his mountain-climbing gear. So many nice moments.
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Old March 30 2013, 08:14 AM   #57
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Re: Star Trek Enterprise: The most "likable" cast?

Well let's compare all five franchises in likability. Keep in mind this just my opinion and reflects personality over competence. Some fields will repeat people for example T'Pol was first officer and science for example and some field will be omitted as DS9 didn't have a pilot for example. So here we go.

Captain: Sisko, Kirk, Archer, Janeway, Picard

Don't get me wrong, Picard's my favorite Trek captain, but let's face it... he's stiff and cold to outsiders quite often. Janeway just seems hard to have a conversation with at all since she's always having to overcompensate because she's the female captain as she's written. Archer's a relaxed person and someone you could sit down and have a beer with, but he also has a number of annoying characteristics. Kirk seems to be easy to get along with so long as you're a human anyways. Sometimes other races seem to rub him the wrong way. Sisko is really the guy you could just hang out with. He's the captain across the franchise that you see doing more every day things be it playing baseball, cooking and what not. Without a uniform he'd just be one of the guys.

First Officer: Kira, Spock, Riker, Chakotay, T'Pol

This one was... hard. T'Pol's just insulting and rather two dimesional, her only saving grace being she hot and wearing a catsuit. Chakotay, while not actively likable at least isn't annoying until he pulls out a script with Indian cliches in it. Riker.. ugh, he's a jerk, but at least he's a charismatic jerk. Spock, sure he's bland at times, but at least he doesn't actively go out of this way to offend outsiders. So... more by virtue of a weak field than anything else, Kira gets the win. She's genuine, will call it as it is, and despite her hard exterior really does have a softer side.

Engineer: Scotty, O'brien, Trip, LaForge, Torres

So Torres is just a sterotypical angry Klingon for the most part with little depth. LaForge is a nice guy, but just socially awkward. Trip seems to be an approachable person so long as you're human, O'brien is definitely the guy next door, but Scotty takes the cake. If anyone in Trek knows how to have a good time it's him.

Tactical/Security: Reed, Chekov, Tuvok, Worf, Odo

Odo.. I like the guy, but let's face it. He's kind of a fascist in the way he acts and by his own admission is the outsider and usually looking down on us humanoids. Worf is just the Klingon glacier who will show up to a social function because he has to. Tuvok at least is polite even if unenthusiastic. Chekov is the guy who's a little too enthusiastic at the party, but he's likable. So Reed... yes the bumbling guy who blows stuff up, takes this one for a bit of balance and a bit of a weak field.

Science/Ops: Dax, Data, Spock, Kim, T'Pol

Merged these two since they mostly are the same for storytelling purposes. T'Pol's still a Vulcan bitch, Kim's whiney and boring, Spock at least would keep quiet during a party, Data is programmed to explore humanity so he'd be a blast to hang out with, but Dax takes the cake on this one. A chick who plays tongo and drinks bloodwine? Heck yeah.

Helm: Paris, Sulu, Mayweather, Wesley

DS9 didn't have a pilot, so.. not much I can do there. Wesley's just annoying. Mayweather is slightly less so. Sulu's a well rounded person, but Tom Paris easily takes this one. Be it drinking, fixing cars, talking history or wacky salamander sex, whatever you're into chances are he is too.

Doctor: Bones, Crusher, Phlox, EMH, Bashir

This one was hard for me. Bashir has to bring up the rear because he's either annoyingly chatty or just a know it all freak, never really striking a balance between the two. The EMH, well let's face it, he -is- rude most of the time and absorbed with himself. Phlox is genuinely friendly and his naive outlook on humanity can be funny. Crusher seems well rounded and graceful wherever she ends up. But McCoy... sure he's rude, but he does it with style!

Extras: Quark, Guinan, Jake, Seven, Neelix

Well this kind of deserve it's own category. Though TOS/ENT didn't have one really and DS9/VOY had two. Anyways, this is non-scientific so whatever. Neelix is just a selfish jerk... I'm sure you've all seen my rants on the VOY forum. Seven is a hot, but... itchy with a b. Jake, well as he got older he'd be fun to hang out with. He wasn't a hero, he was just around so he's definitely one of the guys. Guinan, hey I just have a soft spot for world weary/wise bartenders. But Quark takes the cake on this one easy. This guy can have a good time and makes no qualms about it.

So... in conclusion...

TOS took 2
TNG took none
DS9 took 4
VOY took 1
ENT took 1

Not quite scientific but for the most part it sums up my feelings about the franchises. TOS had some great characters, but overall they were a bit over the top at times. TNG had probably the best chemestry in the franchise among themselves, but really were hostile towards outsiders. DS9 was literally the group of people you worked with almost, Voyager had some standout characters, but more terrible ones than good. The same with Enterprise.

So take all that as you want!
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Old March 30 2013, 09:08 AM   #58
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Re: Star Trek Enterprise: The most "likable" cast?

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Now that I've thought about a grizzled and permanently pissed-off Mayweather played by Andre Braugher rolling his eyes every time Archer opens his mouth, it makes me want to rewrite the whole series, line by line. "A gazelle? You CANNOT be SERIOUS Captain!"
Or how about as Archer finishes that sentences with ".. being born" you can see Grizzled Mayweather in the background covering his mouth and apparently choking with laughter.
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R. Star, what about Communications (I realize not every show really had this). That would be Hoshi vs. Uhura vs. I guess Yar?
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R. Star, what about Communications (I realize not every show really had this). That would be Hoshi vs. Uhura vs. I guess Yar?
Hmm.. I'd have to give that one to Hoshi. Hoshi at least had some personality to her. Uhura... was really the cliche tv female iin a lot of ways. Really both of them were just glorified extras, though Hoshi stood out a bit more. Heck Uhura didn't even get a first name until 2009.
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