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Old February 8 2013, 03:19 PM   #1
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Proto matter and red matter ??

Just watched TSFS again and i noticed that savvik and David where discussing the genesis affect to the planet and David admitted that he had used the dangerous substance proto matter in the experiment. I'm wondering if red matter is the same substance that spock try use to stop the supernova in trek 09 seems realistic don't you think ??
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Old February 8 2013, 03:44 PM   #2
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

I don't think they're the same. Protomatter was said to be unstable (probably in the explosive sense), not that it created artificial black holes. If memory serves, protomatter was in the explosive the Bashir changeling tried to use to destroy the Bajoran sun. However, the two substances may be related.
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Old February 8 2013, 05:40 PM   #3
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.

According to the novelverse (DTI: Watching the Clock), Red Matter was discovered in 2383, and at that time had only been synthesized in microscopic quantities. And they didn't actually know how a runaway chain reaction of any significant quantity would would end.
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Old February 8 2013, 06:33 PM   #4
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

They're both variant forms of handwavium, also known as phlebotinum.
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Old February 8 2013, 06:53 PM   #5
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

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Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.
And don't forget anti-matter.
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Old February 8 2013, 08:31 PM   #6
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

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seems realistic
Hmm.
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Old February 8 2013, 08:39 PM   #7
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

They are two distinct plot macguffins.
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Old February 8 2013, 10:58 PM   #8
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Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.
And don't forget anti-matter.
And uncle matter.
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Old February 8 2013, 11:18 PM   #9
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

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They are two distinct plot macguffins.
You beat me too it!
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Old February 9 2013, 12:44 AM   #10
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They're both variant forms of handwavium, also known as phlebotinum.
Not to mention plotdeviceum.
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Old February 9 2013, 02:30 AM   #11
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

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Other than the word "matter" in the name, they're nothing alike. Trek's also dabbled with Dark Matter (a real... well, hypothetical real thing) in Voyager.
And don't forget anti-matter.
And uncle matter.
Wouldn't that be Uncky-matter?
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Old February 9 2013, 12:53 PM   #12
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Unobtainium.

Doesntmatter.
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Old February 9 2013, 01:40 PM   #13
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

If proto-matter is related to matter in the same way proto-planet is related to planet, then dark matter, red matter and chocolate matter are all made out of proto-matter.
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Old February 9 2013, 07:10 PM   #14
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Re: Proto matter and red matter ??

What about Upsidaisium?
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Old February 9 2013, 08:05 PM   #15
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That only works in light, happy places, not dark ones. Sorry.
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