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Old February 21 2013, 09:28 PM   #376
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Because to me Mos Eisley (the pre-SE version at least) felt much more like a real place. It was quiet and sparse, and there weren't tons of creatures and droids filling every inch of the screen and doing cute gags for the camera all the time.

The same goes for Yavin, and Hoth, and even Endor. They felt like real places you had just dropped in on (and not just because of the lack of CG either).
Again, all of those planets are Outer Rim. Of course they are going to be quiet and sparse...

We never physically go to Alderraan in ANH, but I would imagine that would be more in line with what we see on Coruscant (on the extreme, of course) and to a much lesser extent Naboo (which is in the Middle Rim) in TPM.

It's quite literally the difference between Manhattan NYC and a tiny little town in Nevada.
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Old February 21 2013, 09:33 PM   #377
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We didn't see much of Alderaan at the end of ROTS but the glimpse we got made the planet seem at least somewhat well-populated....nowhere near the insane census levels of a Coruscant, but when the planet was destroyed 20 years later Obi-Wan picked up the echoes of the life energies of "millions."

I'm not familiar with the most recent reference materials on the planet so I don't know the updated number on Alderaan's population, but it always seemed to be a fairly populous, wealthy and powerful world with a great deal of influence in the Old Republic.
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Old February 21 2013, 10:11 PM   #378
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Yep, I'm going based solely on the screen canon available, but that's how it always seemed to me. The more remote the world, the less populous it was.

As Tarkin himself says in ANH: "You're far too trusting. Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration - but don't worry; we will deal with your rebel friends soon."
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Old February 21 2013, 10:29 PM   #379
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Practical sets, extras, and props, including practical mechanized droids rolling past, provided an aura of reality that CGI just flat out hasn't been able to match. This is one reason why I prefer the original cut of the 1977 film to the special edition. It just better feels like you're really there. Call it an ineffable je ne sais quoi, if you like.
Yeah, the whole feel is different. One of the things that was so cool in 1977 -- even if you weren't conscious of it -- was the way Lucas used the documentary style framing, like everything you're seeing is normal. There are monsters and vehicles and robots all over the place that barely get in the frame, or move through without any attention paid to them. SF movies hadn't been like that before, they generally put the fantastical and spectacular stuff front and center for everyone to marvel at. After the CG stuff was put in SW, the emphasis in those shots, too, seemed to shift toward emphasizing the effects.

The old Mos Eisely felt more like a near-ghost town in a Spaghetti Western: Not much going on in the street (too hot) but full of menace anyway. The new one seems more like a travelogue. And that's aside from the absolutely awful editorial decision to undercut Ben's serious word of warning by following it with a pitiful Jawa sight gag.
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Yeah, the Ronto scene was pretty awful.
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Old February 21 2013, 10:50 PM   #381
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Practical sets, extras, and props, including practical mechanized droids rolling past, provided an aura of reality that CGI just flat out hasn't been able to match. This is one reason why I prefer the original cut of the 1977 film to the special edition. It just better feels like you're really there. Call it an ineffable je ne sais quoi, if you like.
Yeah, the whole feel is different. One of the things that was so cool in 1977 -- even if you weren't conscious of it -- was the way Lucas used the documentary style framing, like everything you're seeing is normal. There are monsters and vehicles and robots all over the place that barely get in the frame, or move through without any attention paid to them. SF movies hadn't been like that before, they generally put the fantastical and spectacular stuff front and center for everyone to marvel at. After the CG stuff was put in SW, the emphasis in those shots, too, seemed to shift toward emphasizing the effects.

The old Mos Eisely felt more like a near-ghost town in a Spaghetti Western: Not much going on in the street (too hot) but full of menace anyway. The new one seems more like a travelogue. And that's aside from the absolutely awful editorial decision to undercut Ben's serious word of warning by following it with a pitiful Jawa sight gag.
Those are all great points. Well put.

As a footnote, George Lucas does have film credits on a documentary film, Gimme Shelter. He was with the crew that filmed the Altamont concert, but his camera jammed and none of the footage in the final film was his [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/#...icalDepartment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimme_Shelter_(1970_film)[Sabulis, Tom (5 November 1989). "Rock Nightmare Twenty Years Ago Altamont Marked the End of An Era". The Chicago Tribune: p. 5.]].
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Old February 21 2013, 11:26 PM   #382
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Yeah, the whole feel is different. One of the things that was so cool in 1977 -- even if you weren't conscious of it -- was the way Lucas used the documentary style framing, like everything you're seeing is normal. There are monsters and vehicles and robots all over the place that barely get in the frame, or move through without any attention paid to them. SF movies hadn't been like that before, they generally put the fantastical and spectacular stuff front and center for everyone to marvel at. After the CG stuff was put in SW, the emphasis in those shots, too, seemed to shift toward emphasizing the effects.

The old Mos Eisely felt more like a near-ghost town in a Spaghetti Western: Not much going on in the street (too hot) but full of menace anyway. The new one seems more like a travelogue. And that's aside from the absolutely awful editorial decision to undercut Ben's serious word of warning by following it with a pitiful Jawa sight gag.
Exactly. There was something very matter-of-fact about all the droids and creatures inhabiting the worlds of ANH and ESB, where in the prequels every CG effect calls attention to itself and seems to show off for the camera.
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Old February 22 2013, 12:12 AM   #383
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Although what I think would be interesting would be how they would handle the decades of "Expanded Universe" stories and "canon" and other elements that most fans have "Accepted as canon" into account.
It will get ignored, much like your post was for the last page and a half.
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Old February 22 2013, 04:16 PM   #384
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Giantfreakinrobot is now repeating the Harrison Ford/Episode VII report so unless the entire thing is a masterful red herring of some sort to give a PR boost to Ford's currently moribund career or things change in the future and he eventually backs out I guess I'll just stick to the assumption that Han Solo will be in at least one of the next three episodes.

Since Harrison under most conceivable scenarios would be the most difficult of the OT actors to get to agree to return, that opens the door for everybody else to jump in so long as their health allows them. Mark, Carrie, Peter, Anthony and Kenny, Billy Dee....even Denis Lawson (Wedge) would be fun to see again as an aging Rebel Alliance veteran with some sort of honored status in the New Republic.

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Old February 23 2013, 12:36 AM   #386
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I think technology at this point will have taken Kenny's role as R2.
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Old February 23 2013, 12:39 AM   #387
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I think technology at this point will have taken Kenny's role as R2.
Oh my god, you've killed Ke--

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Old February 23 2013, 12:45 AM   #388
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Kenny didn't have much to do at times during the Prequel films but George kept him around for certain closeups he felt would be better served with Baker inside an astro droid shell. Nah, he probably wouldn't get much work in Episode VII but if he's still around when shooting commences I'd be very stunned if he wasn't signed to return.

After all, it wouldn't feel like a complete SW film without "....and KENNY BAKER as Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2)" flashing across the screen during the closing credits.
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Much like it won't feel like a SW film without 20th Century Fox at the opening.
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Baker makes a difference. Even if none of his takes made it into the final film, I'd want him in there to keep the bar of R2's behavior up at a certain level.
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