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Old February 17 2013, 03:59 PM   #346
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Yeah, the three main dignitaries (Sim Aloo, Janus Greejatus, Kren Blista-Vanee) are clearly humanoid, but from a different species than the Earthlike humans seen filling the Imperial ranks in the OT. In reference materials they're sometimes referred to as "Coruscanti" but little or nothing else is said about them or their origins.
What do you base "different species than the Earthlike humans" on? I see nothing different about any of the five members of the Inner Circle seen in ROTJ compared to human members of the Imperial Navy.

Old Databank pages on StarWars.com, by the way, called at least the first two individuals simply "human." Aloo was from Coruscant (and prevailing thought in the current EU is that humans in the GFFA originated on Coruscant), while Greejatus was from Chommel Minor (where he gained prominence / notoriety as an anti-alien politician in the Old Republic).
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Old February 17 2013, 04:13 PM   #347
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See this is the problem. A lot of fans think and are convinced the Emperor's inner circle aren't human. Others don't, and the reference materials are often little help and conflict with one another if you've spent much time with them.

We need more consistency among the printed reference materials, online sources and the Expanded Universe to keep things a little straighter than they usually are. Growing up I tended to assume the Dignitaries surrounding the Emperor were humanoids and not simply human based on their somewhat paler, more gaunt and exotic appearances but hey, I could be mistaken.

The important thing? We have action figures of all but one of them, and the other is likely coming in the not-too-distant future.
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Old February 17 2013, 04:16 PM   #348
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Meh.

Back when there were only three Star Wars films, given that, on the big screen, the light level in the scene cast the court members' skin as gray as the Emperor's, people assumed that the Emperor and his court were of the same nonhuman race, cf. Coruscanti. Remember, this was the bad old days before CGI, when aliens had to be presented with make up, differences in skin color, and low-tech tricks like that.

The ultimate origin of Palpatine isn't exactly cleared up in the PT, anyway. Was he human and got scarred, or is his "scarred" skin his true appearance, unveiled? Screen canon doesn't say.

Making the Emperor's court all human frankly smells like a retcon, but I'll accept it. Han still shot first, though.
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Old February 17 2013, 04:19 PM   #349
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One thing every fan can probably agree on: the Imperial Dignitaries all had cool hats.

And good point about OT moviemaking tech when it came to aliens. This was 16-22 years before the era of Jar Jar Binks and Sebulba so aliens were often portrayed as humans with slightly different skin tones and by actors with distinctive facial features. Hell, the original Star Trek made an industry out of aliens that were basically human beings with weird looking skin and hair.

Look at Mr. Homn on TNG. Really tall guy with an interesting face who underwent a mild makeup job before filming. Not a shred of latex nor ounce of CGI.
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Old February 17 2013, 07:11 PM   #350
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The ultimate origin of Palpatine isn't exactly cleared up in the PT, anyway. Was he human and got scarred, or is his "scarred" skin his true appearance, unveiled? Screen canon doesn't say.
My understanding was that Palps was using his powers to retain his age and when injured by Mace's force lightning he released some of that power and it manifested itself with the deformities.

But I know what you mean... we used to freeze frame VHS tapes of ROTJ and wonder what the hell he was supposed to be under that hood.
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Old February 17 2013, 07:44 PM   #351
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He also seems to be up for reprising Obi-Wan in the new Trilogy. It'd give us a chance to see Obi-Wan's Force ghost as a younger man (and possibly even one that can morph into Alec Guinness using modern CGI) and have Ewan interact with Mark Hamill the way the late, great Sir Alec once did.

Unless Lucas, Kathleen Kennedy, Abrams and/or others have different ideas the new Trilogy would be the perfect excuse for both Ewan and Hayden to return as Force ghosts along with a CGI spirit Yoda to give advice and moral support to Luke and other leaders of the New Republic and revived Jedi Order.

Anybody who thinks they've seen the last of Hayden as Anakin Skywalker is probably deluding themselves whether they liked his performances or not.
As much as I hated the prequels, I actually would be up for seeing McGregor's Obi-wan again. He did such a good job with the role, and it would be kinda cool to see him in a great, kickass SW movie. Whether on some further adventure on Tattooine or in a flashback to the Clone Wars.

Hayden's Anakin on the other hand? Not so much.
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Old February 17 2013, 10:21 PM   #352
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The writers and Abrams would have have some sort of on-screen explanation for why Obi-Wan's ghost spent years appearing to Luke as Alec Guinness and then all of a sudden is a generation younger and played by a different actor, but it's the Force and the supernatural. All Obi-Wan has to tell Luke is "this is how I appeared when I was a much younger man in the prime of my life....when your father and I were good friends."

Then for fun they can use CGI to have Ewan morph into Alec and back. It's a modern Star Wars movie. Wasting CGI on something minor is gonna happen whether Lucas is in charge or not.
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Old February 17 2013, 11:23 PM   #353
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If there's one thing everyone should take away as a positive from the PT, it's McGregor's performance.
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Old February 17 2013, 11:25 PM   #354
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I cringe every time I hear him say, "So uncivilized!" It's the script's fault, though.
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Old February 17 2013, 11:39 PM   #355
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I remember when he was first announced to play the young Obi-Wan around 1997 and thinking: "the Trainspotting guy? How's THAT going to work? He's nothing like Alec Guinness."

Turns out he did quite a superb job both paying tribute to Guinness as well as forging his own interpretation of the character as a younger man. Ewan and Ian McDiarmid were clearly the best things about the PT.
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Old February 18 2013, 01:41 AM   #356
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I remember when he was first announced to play the young Obi-Wan around 1997 and thinking: "the Trainspotting guy? How's THAT going to work? He's nothing like Alec Guinness."

Turns out he did quite a superb job both paying tribute to Guinness as well as forging his own interpretation of the character as a younger man. Ewan and Ian McDiarmid were clearly the best things about the PT.
I thought all of the actors did as good a job as possible with the material they were given - except possibly Hayden, whom I have never cared for as an actor. Even in better movies, his voice sounds too flat, and when he does emote it is way over the top.

Probably in the minority here, but I'd not care to see side stories in the SW universe. Star Wars movies have always been epic, and dealt with galaxy defining events and a movie with a smaller scope simply wouldn't work, IMO.

Of course, I could be way off. If there were a sufficiently compelling character I wouldn't mind seeing a film focused on him or her. For example, a Han Solo movie when Harrison Ford were in his prime would have been great. But until the new movies come out, we won't know if there will be any characters worth making movies about, and there certainly any in the prequels I'd care to see in their own film.
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Old February 18 2013, 03:34 AM   #357
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I remember when he was first announced to play the young Obi-Wan around 1997 and thinking: "the Trainspotting guy? How's THAT going to work? He's nothing like Alec Guinness."

Turns out he did quite a superb job both paying tribute to Guinness as well as forging his own interpretation of the character as a younger man. Ewan and Ian McDiarmid were clearly the best things about the PT.
I will say, though, I thought he played Obi-wan a little TOO much like Guinness's older version of the character. I have a hard time believing Obi-wan was always that much of a stick in the mud, who was acting like a boring old man even when he was in his 20s and 30s.

When I watch ANH, I get the impression of someone who actually had much more of a rebellious streak in him once, and was maybe even a bit of a smartass like Han.

I just never imagined the Jedi would all end up being as incredibly serious and dull as Lucas eventually made them.
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Old February 18 2013, 03:57 AM   #358
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Of course none of this is explained in the actual films themselves, as we go from strange-looking aliens all over the place in ROTS to a galaxy ruled by pasty white guys with British accents in ANH twenty years later.
Yeah, but that was going by the military and outside of Jedi were there really that many if any aliens shown in it in the PT?

Even in the Clone Wars series which is set before the Empire I only recall a grand total of one nonhuman member of the Republic military who wasn't a Jedi shown.
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Old February 18 2013, 04:11 AM   #359
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It's all a bit confusing at times, and it's not helped by the lack of advanced prosthetics and CGI creatures in the original film (not counting the Special Edition additions made in 1997) that make the prequels seem more abundant with non-human life forms than the Original Trilogy could afford to show.

Plus, as mentioned before some of the reference materials make Palpatine's New Order seem openly hostile to non-human races and imply that campaigns of discrimination and even enslavement (see the Wookiees) were launched during his reign as Emperor. Yet on the other hand clearly alien characters like Thrawn achieve lofty positions of power and respect within the Empire so Palpatine's campaign of prejudice and discrimination can't have been too extensive.

It's like I said, it's a bit of a mess that's not well explained and to the extent that it is there are contradictions.
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Yeah, the three main dignitaries (Sim Aloo, Janus Greejatus, Kren Blista-Vanee) are clearly humanoid, but from a different species than the Earthlike humans seen filling the Imperial ranks in the OT.
FWIW, Wookieepedia lists all three of those individuals as "Human". Though I've never read any EU books, and their names weren't mentioned on screen, so I had no idea who any of them were.
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