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Old February 16 2013, 03:29 AM   #316
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Hey, we got to see Obi-Wan age and turn grey and he remained a badass and fountain of wisdom. I don't see why a Han that's 20-30 years older and wiser can't continue to be a fun and enthralling character.
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Old February 16 2013, 03:42 AM   #317
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Oh, come on. Latino Review are the same idiots who said Joss Whedon would direct Avengers, J.J. Abrams would direct Episode VII and Benedict Cumberbatch would sign as Khan.

Take this news with a grain of salt.
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Old February 16 2013, 03:43 AM   #318
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I haven't read any of the books but as I understand it [correct me if I'm wrong please] but doesn't Han's son become a sith Lord and then Emperor at some point?
Jacen did become the Sith Lord Darth Caedus and manipulated his way into a coup to become the Galactic Alliance Chief of State. His time in office was short-lived, however, as the Alliance started to splinter under his tenure - and especially due to his parents, his sister, and the Jedi Order deciding that he had to be assassinated.

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Old February 16 2013, 08:29 AM   #319
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Of course, there's also this:
VADER: Your powers are weak, old man.

BEN: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Another thing that sounds weird in retrospect. In all other movies, "Darth" is treated as a title, not as a name. Ben appears to be using "Darth" as a personal name, and not a title. As if he knows this guy Darth personally. Everyone else just calls him Vader, or Lord Vader.
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Old February 16 2013, 10:10 AM   #320
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Another thing that sounds weird in retrospect. In all other movies, "Darth" is treated as a title, not as a name. Ben appears to be using "Darth" as a personal name, and not a title. As if he knows this guy Darth personally. Everyone else just calls him Vader, or Lord Vader.
Chalk it up to a senior moment and move on. It's what I do.
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Old February 16 2013, 12:17 PM   #321
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The Ryder Windham novelization of Anakin's / Vader's life aimed at a younger audience (The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader) implies that Obi-Wan was taunting Vader aboard the Death Star by not calling him either "Anakin" or "Vader" during their battle. Vader's thoughts during the course of the fight are that his former Master was trying to irritate and confuse him by not properly using his Sith title.

The real world explanation is most likely that, as far back as 1977, George Lucas had yet to settle on whether or not "Darth" would be a first name or a title given to Vader. Lucas can say all he wants about having a fully fleshed out backstory written that early in the history of the Saga, but we all know quite a few of the early names were different from what they ended up being on screen (Deak Starkiller, for instance).
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Old February 16 2013, 01:07 PM   #322
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I've always felt it wasn't entirely a coincidence that the protagonist is "Luke" and the creator's last name is "Lucas".
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Old February 16 2013, 01:30 PM   #323
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Mind. Blown.
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Old February 16 2013, 01:53 PM   #324
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As Jar Jar proved, Lucas can be about as subtle as a baseball bat to the kneecaps. I wouldn't be surprised if that were indeed the true origin of the Luke name.
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Old February 16 2013, 01:57 PM   #325
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I never had any doubt.
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Old February 16 2013, 03:09 PM   #326
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I've always felt it wasn't entirely a coincidence that the protagonist is "Luke" and the creator's last name is "Lucas".
Luke S.
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Old February 16 2013, 03:42 PM   #327
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and Benedict Cumberbatch would sign as Khan.
Yeah, they were totally proven right on that one.
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Old February 16 2013, 06:57 PM   #328
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I've always felt it wasn't entirely a coincidence that the protagonist is "Luke" and the creator's last name is "Lucas".
Possible, but you have to remember in very original draft of SW, Luke Skywalker wasn't the the hero protagonist, but rather the Obi-Wan figure.

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As Jar Jar proved, Lucas can be about as subtle as a baseball bat to the kneecaps. I wouldn't be surprised if that were indeed the true origin of the Luke name.
But Jar Jar was originally more like Chewbacca in that he wasn't a comedic slapstick character and more of a helpful alien sidekick for the heroes. I think it was only in the final draft that he was transformed into a caricature.

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The Ryder Windham novelization of Anakin's / Vader's life aimed at a younger audience (The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader) implies that Obi-Wan was taunting Vader aboard the Death Star by not calling him either "Anakin" or "Vader" during their battle. Vader's thoughts during the course of the fight are that his former Master was trying to irritate and confuse him by not properly using his Sith title.
That line of reasoning I think came from the Death Star novel by Michael Reaves.
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Old February 16 2013, 07:38 PM   #329
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I've always felt it wasn't entirely a coincidence that the protagonist is "Luke" and the creator's last name is "Lucas".
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Old February 16 2013, 07:59 PM   #330
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Additionally, Ben's powers were fading on the material plane. IIRC, it was David Gerrold who wrote in Starlog that he thought that Ben foresaw his own death, as evidenced by these lines [according to http://www.blueharvest.net/scoops/anh-script.shtml]:
LUKE: I think my uncle knew him. He said he was dead.

BEN: Oh, he's not dead, not...not yet.
There's something to be said for that interpretation, and additionally, there's this:

BEN: They must be delivered safely or other star systems will suffer the same fate as Alderaan. Your destiny lies along a different path than mine. The Force will be with you...always!
Of course, there's also this:
VADER: Your powers are weak, old man.

BEN: You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
If it was Ben's fate, then the Force would deny him the strength to alter his destiny, should he try to do so.

In the PT, in ROTS, Yoda sets him up to ascend and guide Luke from beyond, which further reinforces the idea that dying on the Death Star was Obi-Wan's destiny.
And Vader also tells Tarkin that "Escape is not his plan" in regards to Obi-wan, so clearly he already knew that Obi-wan was planning to sacrifice himself.
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