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Old February 23 2013, 04:17 PM   #46
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

Thanks Youtube.

Scanned through some episodes and while I could have missed something these are the best images I could find of the model. I'm going to try making some simple drawings to work from because I think there are some distinct inconsistencies between this model and the drawings in The Spaceship Handbook.



The top and middle images are best for (relative) clarity. The bottom image shows better detail for the ray cannon affixed to the nose. I have another close-up of the full-size mock-up which shows quite a bit of rivet detail although I'm not sure whether I'll try to include that on my 3D model.

Like the TOS shuttlecraft there are inconsistencies between the full-size exterior and the miniature filming model. That leaves some room for interpretation as to what the "actual" ship should look like.
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Old February 23 2013, 07:09 PM   #47
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Now we're getting somewhere even if it entails me having to start my 3D model from the beginning. From the image below you can see distinct differences between the shapes and dimensions I got off the screencaps and the reference drawing from The Spaceship Handbook. The images I used (posted upthread) were very close to dead on side elevation with little angle to the camera. That means not too much distortion in terms of length which I tried to take into account. The tail section is definitely longer and the forward section has a slightly different contour to it.




Now back to the starting line...
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Old February 23 2013, 08:11 PM   #48
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

it's clear there are multiple models involved. Not surprising. Same is true for every series and most films from the 60's. The shorter diagram seems to be from the 2nd pic in post 46.
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Old February 23 2013, 09:56 PM   #49
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Is that a boulder obscuring the tail on the 2nd picture?
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Old February 23 2013, 10:21 PM   #50
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Might be. Can't tell on a screen this small. But I can see that the number of windows are different. The laser canon is there and then it's not.
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Old February 24 2013, 12:23 AM   #51
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

Yes it is a boulder obscuring the tail. There were different models used and modified as well as stock footage. The ray cannon wasn't there originally and then later during the serials it was added, but stock footage was obviously used as well.
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Old February 24 2013, 10:51 PM   #52
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Okay, now we're gettin' somewhere.

Have made some significant progress here. All the major elements are in place and the shapes are looking more correct. The next items on the agenda are windows, access hatch and landing wheels.



It's amusing that the stubby wings on the front section were supposed to be retractable as originally intended in the film Just Imagine. Uh, just where are those wings supposed to go without intruding deep into the interior compartment and messing up what little usable space there is there? The craft also had extendable jacks for lift the nose up for take-off---again where are these things supposed to retract in to?
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Old February 25 2013, 04:09 AM   #53
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Last image before calling it a night. I got all the windows in except the small one that is part of the access hatch. I'm not going with the drawings on the door and instead I'll have just one. I think it just looks weird with two.

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Old February 25 2013, 11:41 AM   #54
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Uh, just where are those wings supposed to go without intruding deep into the interior compartment and messing up what little usable space there is there?
Perhaps they just deflate? Or is that too high-tech for this chariot of fire?

Another possibility is that they roll in along the sides of the hull like a garage door. Rigidity in extended position could be achieved by a variety of means, although inflation with a fluid might be a fun and pseudo-1930s way to go.

Making the raygun telescope would certainly be practical and sort of trivial, and would help reconcile the footage discrepancies.

I really adore this little pup - and I sort of wonder if the utterly uselessly positioned windows aren't a conscious choice, here, and in other onscreen scifi (c.f. the TOS shuttle), to make sure that nothing compromising will ever be glimpsed through them...

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Old February 25 2013, 11:55 PM   #55
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You know I don't have to squint much to see the makings of a Romulan style shuttlecraft in this design with just a bit of tweaking. The fins are a natural for stylized feather graphics similar to those seen on the TOS Romulan warship seen in "Balance Of Terror."
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Old February 27 2013, 05:21 AM   #56
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

No pic to post today, but I am working on something a bit involved. I've made a shell of the interior which will give my windows some thickness or rather in a close up you'll be able to make out some hull thickness as seen through the windows. You really won't be able to see much, but I like to have it there. Now the interior has a deck and walls and ceiling. I might put in some simplified interior elements as well just for a sense of completion.

Overall I quite like how this is turning out.
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Old February 27 2013, 01:43 PM   #57
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Phantom Cruiser - Space Ghost (1966)
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Chalk me up as extremely interested in your potential work with the Phantom Cruiser, mainly because one of the personal projects I'm working on would really benefit from it.
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Old February 27 2013, 06:28 PM   #58
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While I might not be able to get through all of them these are the vehicles on my radar for this parade.

Spaceship Friede - Die Frau im Mond (1929)
Buck Rogers' Rocket Ship - Buck Rogers serials (1930-1940)
Rocketship Galileo - Rocketship Galileo (1947)*
Chesley Bonestell's Moonship - Conquest Of Space (1949)*
Spaceship Luna - Destination: Moon (1951)
Space Ark - When Worlds Collide (1951)
Klaatu's Saucer - The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951)
Mars Spaceship - Conquest Of Space (1955)
Alien Saucer - Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers (1956)
C57-D Cruiser - Forbidden Planet (1956)
Cosmostrator - First Spaceship On Venus (1959)
Jupiter II - Lost In Space (1965)
Phantom Cruiser - Space Ghost (1966)
Voyager - Fantastic Voyage (1966)

*denotes these are books.
No Metalunan saucer from This Island Earth?
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Old February 27 2013, 06:31 PM   #59
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As for Fantastic Voyage, I would rather see the Proteus from the movie rather than the Voyager (from the cartoon).*

*P.S.: Neither one is technically a spaceship...
True, but at least the Voyager was capable of flight, as seen in several episodes of the cartoon. The Proteus was--more or less--a submarine.
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Old February 27 2013, 11:28 PM   #60
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Re: A parade of spaceships...

Warped 9, did you happen to see this?
http://io9.com/5987223/how-one-man-r...-in-the-movies

It's an article on the Freide, and while it's a bit light on the modelmaker, it does have some background information and large pics (click on them to enlarge).

I didn't know if you were going to go back to that model, but it's certainly interesting reading!
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