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Old February 6 2013, 12:33 AM   #31
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Re: Peter Jackson - Overrated?

In my view, if The Fellowship Of The Ring isn't a timeless classic then there's no such thing as a timeless classic. The Two Towers was brilliant (still is!) and The Return Of The King is comparable in quality to the first movie. I don't think any other movie project before or since has displayed the same level of detail or concerted effort as the LOTR trilogy.

Kong was very long (I won't say overlong) but nonetheless brilliant in its own way, and has an ending to outdo even the original (another timeless classic). I watched both movies consecutively with my two young nieces a few weeks ago, starting with the Jackson one.

The Lovely Bones was a perfectly good movie. I think people mark it down a bit because it's no LOTR, but then it's simply not the same kind of product.

The Hobbit is a very experimental film and although it's all but thoroughly entertaining, as a Middle Earth movie it's in illustrious company. The bar was in the stratosphere. Still, it managed to be a major highlight of last year, and some would say the best genre movie. I think it's entirely feasible that parts two and three will be worthy of the OT.

So that's a "No" from me.
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Old February 6 2013, 01:11 AM   #32
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I've found everything he's done post LOTR to be rather mediocre. Not awful-bad or anything, just middling and unremarkable and bloated. That applies to King Kong, Lovely Bones, and The Hobbit.
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Old February 10 2013, 04:21 AM   #33
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No.

Yeah, sometimes he's not great - but he's not great at stuff that no one else has proven they can do at all.
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Old February 10 2013, 04:28 AM   #34
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You lost me in your opening sentence.

George Lucas is not overrated.
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Old February 10 2013, 10:22 AM   #35
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There is a time and a place to tell an epic, 3-hour story. That time is not every time.
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Old February 10 2013, 01:28 PM   #36
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While he can generate a lot of revenue, just like Sam Raimi he's at his best when they don't throw a ton of money at him but he has to get the most out of a limited budget (Jackson: Heavenly Creatures; Raimi: Evil Dead series).
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Old February 12 2013, 03:45 AM   #37
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Actually, LOTR bored me silly, I thought King Kong was great, I'll wait for the Hobbit to come to TV and I wouldn't watch Lovely Bones on a bet.

He's not overrated. Just some of his movies.
Agreed. LOTR didn't exactly bore me, but it didn't really grab me either. I loved King Kong.
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Old February 12 2013, 07:12 AM   #38
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There is a time and a place to tell an epic, 3-hour story. That time is not every time.
Ain't that the truth.
I do have an issue with the length of Kong, but I also rather like the film, I think its length cost it half a star in quality.

As for his real epic films, the funny thing is if he was doing a miniseries or a season adaption of a book or book series (like Game of Thrones), I think his style would be perfect. He is very open that he likes long films, and unfortunately for him, film audience don't respond in general to the idea of fleshing out books in film. But people have no real issue with books getting the full treatment in long form on tv.

Look at the Hobbit, there is only a few minutes that I would actually cut from the film, my biggest issue with the Hobbit wasn't it's length, but the fakeness of the action sequences in Goblin town.

OUt of all the material I have seen of Jackson, (I didn't watch any of his horror flicks) the only one I disliked was the Lovely Bones.

He's done four films I loved, and two more to date that I really liked that have flaws. That's hardly a bad record. Especially since on all of these he plays triple duty as producer/ writer/ and director.
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Old February 12 2013, 09:26 AM   #39
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The LoTR trilogy are an amazing achievement, no matter what your quibbles about the minutiae. They were a career high for him. It looks like he's trying to keep going with the Hobbit but it's already looking like it's not going to happen. People just aren't that interested.
The Hobbit has already made a billion. What makes you say people aren't interested?
Nobody in the office went to see it. Everybody went to see Fellowship.
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Old February 12 2013, 10:19 AM   #40
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The LoTR trilogy are an amazing achievement, no matter what your quibbles about the minutiae. They were a career high for him. It looks like he's trying to keep going with the Hobbit but it's already looking like it's not going to happen. People just aren't that interested.
The Hobbit has already made a billion. What makes you say people aren't interested?
Nobody in the office went to see it. Everybody went to see Fellowship.
Well to be fair I actually agree there's less interest in the people I know about The Hobbit too and I think a lot of that is to do with the split over 3 films thing,
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Old February 12 2013, 01:22 PM   #41
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Does Joe Q. Public know that the Hobbit is a trilogy? Or that it's from a single book?
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Old February 12 2013, 02:58 PM   #42
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Somebody recently told me that they went to see The Hobbit expecting it to be a single, self-contained movie. Let's say they were somewhat surprised by the cliffhanger ending.

On the whole, though, I get the impression that most people do know that it's part 1 of 3, even if they're not hardcore fanboys/-girls.
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Old February 12 2013, 03:07 PM   #43
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I can't see how anyone could have failed with Lord of The Rings, the material, that cast, the budget, it was destined to succeed.
Then you're obviously not trying one bit, particularly since he co-adapted the screenplays and cast the thing as well as directed it (thus personally securing much of the material and budget).

I'd say that Jackson and his films get their healthy share of criticism from both the fan and critical communities. Heck, Hobbit AUJ didn't even get a green Metacritic rating, which is critical backlash, not overrating.

Whingeing charge is whingeing.
Critics wanted another LOTR, fans were prepared for something a bit different, which I think explains the relatively high user rating. I don't think The Hobbit AUJ is as good as the LOTR trilogy, but I still think it's much better than a 58% positive rating would suggest. Most people I know liked it, my wife has watched it several times since we saw it in the theatre, and she's watched the original trilogy dozens of times. I think the 80-something positive user score is more in line with my feelings. It was a better action/adventure movie than most I've seen in the past few years, and many of the weaknesses people see in the Hobbit story (like the lighter tone) are things you're kind of stuck with if you want the Hobbit to stay remotely true to its roots. You can't make another Two Towers.

I think the next two movies will have a bit more action on a grander scale than the first, and carry a slightly more serious tone.
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Old February 12 2013, 07:20 PM   #44
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The LoTR trilogy are an amazing achievement, no matter what your quibbles about the minutiae. They were a career high for him. It looks like he's trying to keep going with the Hobbit but it's already looking like it's not going to happen. People just aren't that interested.
The Hobbit has already made a billion. What makes you say people aren't interested?
Nobody in the office went to see it. Everybody went to see Fellowship.
As I often tell my brother, "Everybody you know" is not a valid sample for gauging the opinion of the general public.
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Old February 13 2013, 01:11 AM   #45
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Why would someone think it's a single movie if it's called The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey? Why wouldn't it just be called The Hobbit?
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