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Old February 4 2013, 10:21 PM   #121
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Old February 4 2013, 10:24 PM   #122
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I don't think we should assume all Council members are at an equal level of ability.
Then what are they doing on the Council? Even Padawan Obi-Wan seemed to be stronger in various Force abilities than Mundi.
By that logic, Obama is the best hand-to-hand fighter in the world. After all, he is at the head of the most powerful military in the world.
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Old February 4 2013, 11:14 PM   #123
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Well, I sure wouldn't want to fight him.
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Old February 4 2013, 11:59 PM   #124
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TREK_GOD_1 wrote:
Then what are they doing on the Council?
Because they're usually better/more experienced than the rank and file, but still not as good as other members of the Council, such as Yoda with his even greater experience?

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Also, Ki-Adi Mundi was the only one (aside from Yoda) in that entire montage who sensed anything was up with his clones.
But I don't think that was a reflection of Force attunement. He just noticed that instead of following him on his charge, they got ready to shoot him.
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Old February 5 2013, 03:17 AM   #125
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Maybe Luke was so Freaked out, so much snot and huddled rocking, that Obiwan took him to one side and Jedi Mindtricked him calm?

Ben could have Manchurian Candidated the frakk out of that kid.

Child abuse?

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Old February 5 2013, 07:47 AM   #126
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Then what are they doing on the Council?
Because they're usually better/more experienced than the rank and file, but still not as good as other members of the Council, such as Yoda with his even greater experience?

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Also, Ki-Adi Mundi was the only one (aside from Yoda) in that entire montage who sensed anything was up with his clones.
But I don't think that was a reflection of Force attunement. He just noticed that instead of following him on his charge, they got ready to shoot him.
I think it's also worth pointing out that not all Force abilities are based around fighting. Maybe he has really good precognitive abilities or is skilled at battle meditation.
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Old February 5 2013, 10:48 AM   #127
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Kelthaz wrote: View Post
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I don't think we should assume all Council members are at an equal level of ability.
Then what are they doing on the Council? Even Padawan Obi-Wan seemed to be stronger in various Force abilities than Mundi.
By that logic, Obama is the best hand-to-hand fighter in the world. After all, he is at the head of the most powerful military in the world.
Your point is illogical. Unlike the president, a Jedi Council member is an active user/participant, and is called on to use his various supernatural abilities, which they are all tested before becoming a knight, then master. The president has no such measuring stick, as each who ever held that title had no measured standard for power, skill or competency. Ultimately, their ability to get that job is based on the whim of voters, mass manipulation and a pile of money.

So again, the Jedi Coucil members should be expected to be more than cardboard cutouts for Sidious to cut down.
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Old February 5 2013, 02:14 PM   #128
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A pretty good implicit argument that not all Jedi Council masters are terrific fighters could have been made if, say, one of the members was shown to not use a lightsaber... say, one of the smaller, greener ones... one that Roger Ebert would opine that using one would be "totally out of character"...
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Old February 5 2013, 03:15 PM   #129
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Are the council members chosen because they are good fighters, or because they are wise?
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Old February 5 2013, 03:53 PM   #130
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one that Roger Ebert would opine that using one would be "totally out of character"...
Oh, Ebert...

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Old February 5 2013, 06:19 PM   #131
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Are the council members chosen because they are good fighters, or because they are wise?
I think they are chosen due to mastering all parts of the Jedi discipline, not just one.
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Old February 5 2013, 08:40 PM   #132
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The implication is that every Jedi is supposed to be a skilled swordsman. Hell, Yoda is slow moving and needs a cane to walk, but can kick ass with a lightsabre and is apparentally considered the best Jedi swordsman ("If you spent as much time studying sabre technique as you do speeders you'd rival Master Yoda as a swordsman.")
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Old February 5 2013, 08:45 PM   #133
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By that logic, Obama is the best hand-to-hand fighter in the world. After all, he is at the head of the most powerful military in the world.
Your point is illogical. Unlike the president, a Jedi Council member is an active user/participant, and is called on to use his various supernatural abilities, which they are all tested before becoming a knight, then master.
Just because they had to be skilled when they were younger doesn't mean they're still skilled today. Some of them like Yoda and Windu keep in shape, but others are just ex-beat cops who have been behind the desk too long.
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Old February 6 2013, 03:29 AM   #134
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Ki-Adi-Mundi was of the Cerean species, a race that had - I believe - two different brains within their cranium which accounts for the tall, elongated shape of his head. Cereans are supposed to possess rather powerful intuitive and psychic skills due to their unusual cerebral construction so perhaps he was able to sense something awry and dangerous was happening to his Clones that other Jedi from other species couldn't?

Yoda seemed to be the only other Jedi who sensed something was up and promptly saved his own hide with his lightsaber. Obi-Wan would have been dead had Commander Cody's cannon blast impacted any closer to him than it did, so we know Obi-Wan wasn't aware of anything going on.
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Old February 6 2013, 06:29 AM   #135
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In Yoda's case, it seems that for some reason he had time to feel the other deaths through the Force before he was attacked. But this didn't seem to apply to any other Jedi that we know of.
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