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Old February 1 2013, 10:44 AM   #76
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released in the grim-dark of the 1970's
The grim-dark of the 1970s? I take it you weren't there.

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Then wouldn't she have been more attracted to one of the dead Sandpeople? I guess this is the point at which the conversation should be dropped.
That sounds like material for a reboot.
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Old February 1 2013, 03:54 PM   #77
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released in the grim-dark of the 1970's
The grim-dark of the 1970s? I take it you weren't there.
Yeah. particularly when you take TODAY into account.

The 70's were practically Pollyanna compared to now...
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Old February 1 2013, 05:08 PM   #78
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released in the grim-dark of the 1970's
The grim-dark of the 1970s? I take it you weren't there.

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Haha! My parents conceived me in the Summer of '79, baby!

But, I was actually making a hyberbolic reference to an earlier comment about how gritty and dark movies of the post-Vietnam era tended to be, which supposedly Star Wars broke the mold of. A sentiment I don't totally agree with...

Actually from what I can tell the '70s seemed like a pretty rocking good time. Sometimes I wish I was 10 or 15 years older so I could have experienced the decade first hand!

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Old February 1 2013, 05:50 PM   #79
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^The 80's had better toys and you were young enough not to get weird looks while playing with them, so it all evens out.
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Old February 1 2013, 08:53 PM   #80
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More evidence that Luke isn't really that emotional, his best friend Biggs is killed during the Death Star battle, and Luke has barely a reaction to it, and gladly accepts a ceremony for himself when all is said and done.

Yeah, okay, in the middle of a battle isn't the best time to mourn, but afterwards I would think the loss of my best friend would put a damper on my mood during the celebrations.

Hell, the only time anyone cried in the OT was the shirtless fat guy in Jabba's palace after Luke killed the rancor.
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Old February 1 2013, 09:40 PM   #81
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^To be fair, we have no idea how much later that award ceremony took place. Though, they did have time to rebuild R2-D2.
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Old February 1 2013, 09:59 PM   #82
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More evidence that Luke isn't really that emotional, his best friend Biggs is killed during the Death Star battle, and Luke has barely a reaction to it, and gladly accepts a ceremony for himself when all is said and done.
Yeah, okay, in the middle of a battle isn't the best time to mourn, but afterwards I would think the loss of my best friend would put a damper on my mood during the celebrations.
What was he going to do? Start going through overacting/bawling like one of the characters on Grey's Anatomy? We cannot judge what Luke was thinking between landing and the ceremony, as we never see what happened in that period of time.

Let's not forget that Luke has many moments of sadness in ANH; aside from discovering his aunt and uncle, he was not only horrified/angered by Kenobi's "death," but clearly despondent aboard the Falcon, and sadly mentions him again to Leia before the attack on the Death Star.


Hell, the only time anyone cried in the OT was the shirtless fat guy in Jabba's palace after Luke killed the rancor.
I would count Luke's reaction to Vader's secret in ESB, a mix of screaming/crying, judging from the look on his face.
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Old February 1 2013, 10:12 PM   #83
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^To be fair, we have no idea how much later that award ceremony took place. Though, they did have time to rebuild R2-D2.
It is literally right after they land - there is a cut scene where Luke screams at another blue astro-tech "YOU ARE R2-D2 NOW" and then cuts off the arm of an engineer. They present him with a medal to calm him down.
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Old February 2 2013, 12:15 AM   #84
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Yeah, the use of the word "younglings" was a strange choice there. It dehumanizes the tragedy (and the power) of the moment in a way that saying "you killed the children" would have brought.
But, they weren't children. They were brainwashed indoctrinated magical super-soldiers, each one capable of single-handedly slaughtering entire battalions of mortal men.
It's important to remember that without Anakin there to counter their force powers, the younglings would have effortlessly annihilated those clones.
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Old February 2 2013, 12:19 AM   #85
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^To be fair, we have no idea how much later that award ceremony took place. Though, they did have time to rebuild R2-D2.
Honestly, I doubt too much time went by. Then again, I've always wondered why they wasted time on such a ceremony. After all, the Empire now knows where the super-secret rebel base is. True, the feared Death Star is now destoryed, but a fleet of Star Destroyers showing up is still a significant threat, especially since their commanders would be pissed over the Death Star. True, it would have taken time for said fleet to arrive, but I'd have got started the evacuation right away, not assembled everyone for a ceremony, even if it was for the men of the hour.

And in the spirit of this thread, Chewie didn't seem to care about being snubbed at the ceremony.
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Old February 2 2013, 10:27 AM   #86
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Yeah, the use of the word "younglings" was a strange choice there. It dehumanizes the tragedy (and the power) of the moment in a way that saying "you killed the children" would have brought.
But, they weren't children. They were brainwashed indoctrinated magical super-soldiers, each one capable of single-handedly slaughtering entire battalions of mortal men.
It's important to remember that without Anakin there to counter their force powers, the younglings would have effortlessly annihilated those clones.
They would? So how were the Jedi wiped out? Because of what I remember most of them went out like punks.
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Old February 2 2013, 02:05 PM   #87
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Yeah, all the off-world Jedi were easily gunned down by their clone troopers, Anakin wasn't there to negate their Force powers.
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Old February 2 2013, 04:12 PM   #88
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Yeah, all the off-world Jedi were easily gunned down by their clone troopers, Anakin wasn't there to negate their Force powers.
I could be wrong about this but someone mentioned that in the adaptations, the force is explaining as actually having will and purpose and because it no longer has use for the Jedi at this point, their powers become weak.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Old February 2 2013, 04:52 PM   #89
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Yeah, all the off-world Jedi were easily gunned down by their clone troopers, Anakin wasn't there to negate their Force powers.
I could be wrong about this but someone mentioned that in the adaptations, the force is explaining as actually having will and purpose and because it no longer has use for the Jedi at this point, their powers become weak.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
No, but it sounds like something one of the Sith might have said at one point, reflecting their twisted viewpoint. I don't think it's accurate. We are given to understand from TPM that the Force has a will, but I don't think "it no longer has use for the Jedi at this point".

However, the ROTS novel does say that the darkness in the Force is exacerbated by the war and that this was a factor. But the darkness in the Force proceeds from the doings of the Sith.

Ultimately the main reason for the failure of the Jedi is that they simply were caught off guard and did not realize that even their own troops would become enemies. It has also been suggested that the clones did not have malice, per se, that might have been sensed by the Jedi; they were just following orders.

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It's important to remember that without Anakin there to counter their force powers, the younglings would have effortlessly annihilated those clones.
Not sure if serious...

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