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Old January 27 2013, 07:57 PM   #31
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Re: Raiders Of The Lost Ark....

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I also don't know how he survived hanging from a sub.
Same way he survived hiding inside a fridge.
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Old January 27 2013, 09:19 PM   #32
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He's the goddamn Hat man.
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Old January 27 2013, 09:51 PM   #33
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I also don't know how he survived hanging from a sub.
Same way he survived hiding inside a fridge.
Same way he survived ghostly apparitions by just shutting his eyes

Same way he survived someone reaching into his chest
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Old January 28 2013, 12:45 AM   #34
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- In the third film when Indy is talking to the Nazis about his friend Marcus who supposedly can blend in and disappear, and then the scene cuts to the actual Marcus who is like the most obvious tourist ever, "Does anyone here speak English?"
I think what made that scene is what he says next:

"...or maybe ancient Greek?"
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Old January 28 2013, 07:54 AM   #35
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Why would you use a submarine if you didn't submerge? Why not use a boat? Clearly they CHOSE a sub....
In fairness we can only go by what we see onscreen. Comics and novelizations don't really count. Onscreen we never see the sub actually submerge. That said it was an extremely crazy thing for Jones to do if the sub actually had submerged. In the end the main thing Jones accomplished was saving Marion---he realized what was about to happen and convinced her to keep her eyes closed. Without Jones she might have felt compelled to watch what was going on only to be destroyed along with the rest. Sometime later the ark might have been found again, but Marion would likely have been dead. So Jones did in fact save her only not in the expected conventional way.
Funny thing is: Marion wouldn't have been there at all if Indy had just stayed at the University. And the Nazis would still have died.


Old subs of that era were more effective on the surface than submerged if you wanted speed. There's also the matter of fresh air supply. So if you have no reason to be concealed than you stay surfaced. You only submerge if you want to sneak up on someone to attack them or if you're hiding from reconnaissance planes or enemy ships.
If you have no reason to be concealed why take a sub? Surely a ship would've been better. Faster. More space for men and supplies.

You take a sub because you are going underwater at some point.
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Old January 28 2013, 08:10 AM   #36
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I watched this the other day. I love it when that guy's face melts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18
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funny u say that. just yesterday I saw the movie Arthur for the 1st time so there are people who haven't seen these old movies
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Old January 28 2013, 09:07 AM   #37
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Why would you use a submarine if you didn't submerge? Why not use a boat? Clearly they CHOSE a sub....
In fairness we can only go by what we see onscreen. Comics and novelizations don't really count. Onscreen we never see the sub actually submerge. That said it was an extremely crazy thing for Jones to do if the sub actually had submerged. In the end the main thing Jones accomplished was saving Marion---he realized what was about to happen and convinced her to keep her eyes closed. Without Jones she might have felt compelled to watch what was going on only to be destroyed along with the rest. Sometime later the ark might have been found again, but Marion would likely have been dead. So Jones did in fact save her only not in the expected conventional way.
Funny thing is: Marion wouldn't have been there at all if Indy had just stayed at the University. And the Nazis would still have died.


Old subs of that era were more effective on the surface than submerged if you wanted speed. There's also the matter of fresh air supply. So if you have no reason to be concealed than you stay surfaced. You only submerge if you want to sneak up on someone to attack them or if you're hiding from reconnaissance planes or enemy ships.
If you have no reason to be concealed why take a sub? Surely a ship would've been better. Faster. More space for men and supplies.

You take a sub because you are going underwater at some point.
A submarine might have been the only vessel available, and the German surface fleet wasn't that large in 1936 if I remember my history correctly.
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Old January 28 2013, 09:11 AM   #38
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And for dramatic visual impact very little is as immediately identifiable as "German military" than a U-boat. This is, after all, still a straight up adventure movie.
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Old January 28 2013, 09:15 AM   #39
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This movie was the holy grail for me when I was a kid. I'd had ample opportunities to watch "Temple of Doom", and local television seemed to show "Last Crusade" every other week. But for some reason Raiders never used to pop up. Even my local video shop didn't have a copy (the bastards). I wanted to see it so badly it almost hurt.

Twenty years later, I don't think I've watched it for a while. But I agree, it's thematically the strongest of the series (though personally I've got a bit of a soft spot for "The Last Cursade") and everybody concerned does a terrific job. Love Karen Allen as Marian as well, she's got excellent chemistry with Ford, they had a real Bogie/Becall thing going on there. If there's any one thing I think "Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull" did right it was brining her back.
"Raiders" is a true classic. Iconic, even.
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Old January 28 2013, 03:31 PM   #40
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And for dramatic visual impact very little is as immediately identifiable as "German military" than a U-boat. This is, after all, still a straight up adventure movie.
I'm still going with efficient lungs.
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Old January 28 2013, 04:50 PM   #41
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Love Karen Allen as Marian as well, she's got excellent chemistry with Ford, they had a real Bogie/Becall thing going on there. If there's any one thing I think "Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull" did right it was brining her back.
Well, yes and no. In theory, bringing her back was a good idea, but they pretty much wasted her. Like so much else in the film, it was a missed opportunity.
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Old January 28 2013, 04:59 PM   #42
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Of course, this is one of those moments where they really push the credibility envelope.
Which is pretty much what the pulp adventure genre is all about.
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Old January 28 2013, 07:43 PM   #43
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Even though it came out in the summer of 1981, I first saw it in the theater on New Years Day in 1982. I wish movies nowadays stuck around in theaters a little longer.

I remember ET was played locally for over a year.
Don't forget, those two were such massive hits, of the type we don't really see much today.
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Old January 28 2013, 07:54 PM   #44
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^Things were different back then.
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Old January 28 2013, 08:34 PM   #45
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He has very efficient lungs.
Well, if the sub didn't submerge he'd be fine. Remember in 1936 Germany wasn't at war with anyone yet so the U-boat could easily cruise along the surface openly without needing to dive to stay concealed. And in those days there was no satellite reconnaissance to be worried about. Also since they weren't at war with anyone yet they also didn't have to be concerned of scouting planes keeping a watch for them.
Why would you use a submarine if you didn't submerge? Why not use a boat? Clearly they CHOSE a sub....

I think the novelization talks about it being submerged... but I can't remember how they explained his survival.
I can't remember how the novel explains it either, but the comic adaption has him tying himself to the periscope with his whip.
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