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Old January 28 2013, 12:17 AM   #16
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Re: Who was the earliest graduate of Starfleet Academy?

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What is the reference for this?
I remember someone from behind the scenes admitting as much shortly after the episode aired.
It's odd that Memory Alpha makes no mention of an institution referred to as "Starfleet Academy" prior to 2161 at all, even in the O'Malley article which has a picture clearly showing the diploma.

Maybe it's a side effect of the Temporal Cold War.
It's in their "Starfleet Academy (Earth)" article as having existed as early as the 2140s for the Earth Starfleet.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...cademy_(Earth)
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Old January 28 2013, 02:01 AM   #17
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I remember someone from behind the scenes admitting as much shortly after the episode aired.
It's odd that Memory Alpha makes no mention of an institution referred to as "Starfleet Academy" prior to 2161 at all, even in the O'Malley article which has a picture clearly showing the diploma.

Maybe it's a side effect of the Temporal Cold War.
It's in their "Starfleet Academy (Earth)" article as having existed as early as the 2140s for the Earth Starfleet.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...cademy_(Earth)

And in that article:

As there were never any earlier or later mentions to Starfleet Academy in Star Trek: Enterprise, the diploma would appear to be a mistake on the part of the art department, especially since it was the intention of the producers that Starfleet Academy did not exist until the founding of the Federation.
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Old January 28 2013, 03:07 AM   #18
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It's odd that Memory Alpha makes no mention of an institution referred to as "Starfleet Academy" prior to 2161 at all, even in the O'Malley article which has a picture clearly showing the diploma.

Maybe it's a side effect of the Temporal Cold War.
It's in their "Starfleet Academy (Earth)" article as having existed as early as the 2140s for the Earth Starfleet.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...cademy_(Earth)

And in that article:

As there were never any earlier or later mentions to Starfleet Academy in Star Trek: Enterprise, the diploma would appear to be a mistake on the part of the art department, especially since it was the intention of the producers that Starfleet Academy did not exist until the founding of the Federation.
Which is their opinion. Memory Alpha frequently does offer their opinion and conjecture on topics (especially those with no clear consensus) in separate boxes in their articles. But that very same particular article still lists an Earth Starfleet Academy existing prior to the Federation, which would support what was shown in "Storm Front." I don't see a reason to dismiss it because it wasn't what the show's original creators might have intended.
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Old January 28 2013, 06:17 AM   #19
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Re: Who was the earliest graduate of Starfleet Academy?

Well it does explain how I missed the article. I was typing 'starf', the autofind listed only the main Academy article, and never the '(Earth)' one.

But is it only a visual reference due to the diploma? Or is it supported with dialogue anywhere?
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Old January 28 2013, 07:30 AM   #20
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But is it only a visual reference due to the diploma? Or is it supported with dialogue anywhere?
It falls into the category of many things such as the names of various starship classes, hull registries, etc.
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Old January 28 2013, 08:26 AM   #21
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Re: Who was the earliest graduate of Starfleet Academy?

The way ENT:TATV wraps up the series, one might conclude the entire 4 years was just an edited out holonovel subplot from TNG: The Pegasus.
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Old January 28 2013, 08:06 PM   #22
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Well it does explain how I missed the article. I was typing 'starf', the autofind listed only the main Academy article, and never the '(Earth)' one.

But is it only a visual reference due to the diploma? Or is it supported with dialogue anywhere?
The diploma is the only reference to Starfleet Academy in Enterprise. It was the intention that there was no Starfleet Academy, indeed never once does a character talk about the Academy. It's always "training" or STC. Season 4 actually made quite a few of these errors, a computer graphic in Divergence identifies the ship as "USS Enterprise NX-01" despite the fact USS is not part of its name.
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Old January 28 2013, 08:39 PM   #23
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Well it does explain how I missed the article. I was typing 'starf', the autofind listed only the main Academy article, and never the '(Earth)' one.

But is it only a visual reference due to the diploma? Or is it supported with dialogue anywhere?
The diploma is the only reference to Starfleet Academy in Enterprise. It was the intention that there was no Starfleet Academy, indeed never once does a character talk about the Academy. It's always "training" or STC.
Which still doesn't rule out the existence of an Academy, because instruction there would still be Starfleet training, and with no actual onscreen explanation for the letters "S.T.C," they could mean "Starfleet Technical College" or "Sam's Trucking Center" for all we know.
Season 4 actually made quite a few of these errors, a computer graphic in Divergence identifies the ship as "USS Enterprise NX-01" despite the fact USS is not part of its name.
The USS designation for Starfleet ships may have started there or it wasn't a commonly used honorific, but a technically accurate one. In any event, a computer ID ftag or the ship wouldn't change anything as far as other onscreen material goes.
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Old January 28 2013, 09:01 PM   #24
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Re: Who was the earliest graduate of Starfleet Academy?

With the remastering trend though, we can't even assume that things we originally saw on screen in TOS are canon anymore. So in a couple of decades, the diploma evidence and a mislabled NX tag and other minor discrepancies might disappear.

In my original post, I asked for the earliest graduate of Starfleet Academy. NOT Starfleet Academy (Earth). Based on these conditions, is there an answer?

All dialogue seems to support the theory that the Academy was founded in 2161.
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Old January 28 2013, 09:08 PM   #25
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Old January 28 2013, 09:11 PM   #26
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You're closing my thread?
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Old January 28 2013, 09:15 PM   #27
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You're closing my thread?
No, it was a joke (I couldn't close a thread anyway). But since there isn't really an official answer to your question, all there's left is speculation and non-canon stuff as to who was the first to graduate from Starfleet Academy.
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Old January 28 2013, 09:41 PM   #28
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It was a guy named Eugene C. Starfleet. The school was named after him.
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Old January 28 2013, 10:06 PM   #29
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I suppose the real answer is Gene Rpddenberry or Gene Coon, or whoever came up with the concept of the Academy in the first place.

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Old January 28 2013, 10:25 PM   #30
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Harry Kim. Yes, he's been an ensign that long.
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