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Old December 31 2012, 09:32 PM   #1
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Surviving Vulcan Elders.

... my home planet and most of its six billion inhabitants. While the essence of our culture has been saved in the elders who now reside upon the ship, I estimate no more than ten thousand have survived.
I watch ST: Eleven again a few weeks back, and this short statement keeps coming back to me. If Vulcan has colonies, traders, people visiting other worlds, ten thousand total seem a little low for the number of survivors, This has been pointed out before.

But maybe Spock was referring to a different group with the ten thousand figure? Could Spock have been think specfically of the total number of Vulcan elders off of Vulcan at the time of the planet's destruction? Not just those aboard the Enterprise, but other elders spread throughout the Federation, and elsewhere.

The ten thousand figure wasn't meant to be Vulcan survivors in general?

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Old December 31 2012, 09:59 PM   #2
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

I just assumed it was survivors of the planet itself. There's still the chicken-eating fun Vulcans out there exploring the cosmos. (ENT is still canon! I do so enjoy writing that).
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Old December 31 2012, 10:25 PM   #3
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

It was an estimate, probably including everyone he could remember being spread around at this time in the prime timeline. Remember it's Spock making this estimate so it's likely a very accurate number.

Personally, I think it sounds quite low, probably for the dramatic effect. If a future story requires a population explosion, or reduction, of that number I'd bet they adjust it accordingly without batting an eye.
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Old December 31 2012, 10:40 PM   #4
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

It struck me as ridiculously low, really. It had to be purely for dramatic effect. There are what, over 100 or so Federation planets? If each had one Vulcan embassy or consulate with about 1000 Vulcan staff each (which is probably a low number of staff for a planet-wide embassy), that's 100,000 or more Vulcans off-planet in the diplomatic corps, right there.
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Old December 31 2012, 10:50 PM   #5
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

Spock could never know exactly how many Vulcans were off planet at the time. So there could be millions left that he didn't even know about.
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Old December 31 2012, 10:57 PM   #6
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

Different time-line. Vulcans could be even more notoriously xenophobic, or less inclined to exploration. And are the number of Fed worlds mentioned in this timeline?
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Old December 31 2012, 11:24 PM   #7
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The number of worlds in the peacekeeping armada was never mentioned.
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Old December 31 2012, 11:38 PM   #8
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

The 10,000 figure referred to survivors of the homeworld itself. Off-world colonies, outposts, a whole pan-Federation diaspora...these would boost the count. Even Orci and Kurtzmann acknowledged the fact when called on it.
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Old January 1 2013, 12:39 AM   #9
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

It was purposely low a number to bring home the point of him being an endangered species. That there are less than 10,000 Vulcans living off-planet only shows the JJ-verse Vulcans are idiots.

But then so are we. We spend half a penny per tax dollar for everything NASA does yet we live in a time when nuclear, biological, and nano technology might have or may wipe us out not too long from now. Can we all agree on a $.02 tax-hike to quadruple our efforts off this rock?
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Old January 1 2013, 12:52 AM   #10
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It was purposely low a number to bring home the point of him being an endangered species. That there are less than 10,000 Vulcans living off-planet only shows the JJ-verse Vulcans are idiots.

But then so are we. We spend half a penny per tax dollar for everything NASA does yet we live in a time when nuclear, biological, and nano technology might have or may wipe us out not too long from now. Can we all agree on a $.02 tax-hike to quadruple our efforts off this rock?
You sound just like a guy I used to know from the old BSG boards.

NOTE: Shouldn't Spock be the tech guy now? I mean, he is in possession of every major technological, scientific, medical political, sociological, etc. discovery of many years to come.

With his knowledge Starfleet should be immediately redesigning it's ships, starbases, tricorders, etc. Shouldn't this be a great age of non-adventure since Spock already has all the spoilers? With the answers he has, the UFP could easily dominate the Romulans and Klingons for the foreseeable future.
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Old January 1 2013, 02:33 AM   #11
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

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It was purposely low a number to bring home the point of him being an endangered species. That there are less than 10,000 Vulcans living off-planet only shows the JJ-verse Vulcans are idiots.

But then so are we. We spend half a penny per tax dollar for everything NASA does yet we live in a time when nuclear, biological, and nano technology might have or may wipe us out not too long from now. Can we all agree on a $.02 tax-hike to quadruple our efforts off this rock?
You sound just like a guy I used to know from the old BSG boards.

NOTE: Shouldn't Spock be the tech guy now? I mean, he is in possession of every major technological, scientific, medical political, sociological, etc. discovery of many years to come.

With his knowledge Starfleet should be immediately redesigning it's ships, starbases, tricorders, etc. Shouldn't this be a great age of non-adventure since Spock already has all the spoilers? With the answers he has, the UFP could easily dominate the Romulans and Klingons for the foreseeable future.
Spock is too busy trying to remember stuff that happened to him some 140 years ago.

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Old January 1 2013, 02:40 AM   #12
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

I read something, somewhere, around here about their intentions to (paraphrased) 'slap a gag order' on Spock against spilling the beans for future events. It may have been something intended for the comics or novels, not sure.

Personally I want the beans spilled, I want those prime timeline events naturalized so the writers cannot use them as cheats thus forcing originality in the new timeline.

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Old January 1 2013, 02:49 AM   #13
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Never been to a BSG board, though I loved nBSG.

No bean-spilling. Temporal Prime Directive and all that. Spock would adhere to it even before it was enacted and if he didn't, maybe some timeship would appear and bust skulls.

Actually, that's just the first thing that came to my mind. There'd be no bean-spilling b/c it would change EVERYTHING about the Trek universe. I can just see the Federation president now announcing that with this new intel they'd be restructuring the known galaxy into a new galactic empire...er...peacepire.
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Old January 1 2013, 03:08 AM   #14
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

Well he can't just *hope* Kirk et al will be in the right place at the right time to do the right thing.

Also...slapping a gag order makes no sense. Why? So the timeline won't get messed up? You think the Klingons wouldn't take advantage of the situation?
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Old January 1 2013, 06:10 AM   #15
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Re: Surviving Vulcan Elders.

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There'd be no bean-spilling b/c it would change EVERYTHING about the Trek universe.
Uh... wasn't that kind of the idea?
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