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Old August 25 2013, 11:27 PM   #61
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Re: What happened to Jennifer Lien?

Jennifer Lien was fired to make way for the "hot chick". That always rubbed me the wrong way.
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Old August 26 2013, 12:43 AM   #62
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You have to wonder if she got back with her husband?

He threw her in the pokey.

Like that's forgiveable.

The atomization of her marriage, and subsequent legal demands, might mean she has to get down in on the convention circuit... Although, if she's smart, Jennifer won't start "earning" till after the divorce is finalized, otherwise she has to give her bloke half of everything.
Wait, there was more to the Arrest story? Care to tell more?
There was a mugshot.

Even if she spent ten minutes in county waiting for someone to post bail, that's 10 minutes in jail.

The new information...

Her record has been expunged or sealed.

Husband changed his mind?

https://www.arrests.org/remove/?id=8126433
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Old August 26 2013, 12:47 AM   #63
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Jennifer Lien was fired to make way for the "hot chick". That always rubbed me the wrong way.
Wang was fired to make way for the hot chick.

Lien was fired to make way for the return of Wang.
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Old August 26 2013, 09:50 AM   #64
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Jennifer Lien was fired to make way for the "hot chick". That always rubbed me the wrong way.
Wang was fired to make way for the hot chick.

Lien was fired to make way for the return of Wang.
and a glorious return it was

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Old August 26 2013, 01:29 PM   #65
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I'm joining in late here but....Garrett Wang was chosen to be fired because of his behavior, constantly being late and such. He was even suspended for a few episodes. But popularity saved him

As for Lien leaving the show, she had a 3 year contract, after season 3 it was up and not renewed. She wasn't upset about it and she moved on with her life
In an article appearing in [COLOR=#ba0000]Star Trek: Communicator issue 134[/COLOR], Lien recalled, " was on for a few seasons, then they asked me to leave. They decided not to renew my contract. I didn't ask why I was not being renewed, I just said 'okay' and moved on."

Jeri Taylor admitted, "These things are never cut-and-dried. It's never one thing. I think Jennifer had a wish to move on, and that coincided with some thinking here. There has not been any rancor or unpleasantness about it [....] I know she will go on to a wonderful career [...] and I will miss her very much." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 29, No. 6/7, p. 113) Taylor also said, "It was a mutual feeling [....] [Jennifer Lien] just felt her character wasn't going anywhere, so it was a very amicable and mutual decision." (Star Trek Monthly issue 31, pp. 4 & 13)
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Old August 26 2013, 04:48 PM   #66
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I'm joining in late here but....Garrett Wang was chosen to be fired because of his behavior, constantly being late and such. He was even suspended for a few episodes. But popularity saved him

As for Lien leaving the show, she had a 3 year contract, after season 3 it was up and not renewed. She wasn't upset about it and she moved on with her life
In an article appearing in [COLOR=#ba0000]Star Trek: Communicator issue 134[/COLOR], Lien recalled, " was on for a few seasons, then they asked me to leave. They decided not to renew my contract. I didn't ask why I was not being renewed, I just said 'okay' and moved on."

Jeri Taylor admitted, "These things are never cut-and-dried. It's never one thing. I think Jennifer had a wish to move on, and that coincided with some thinking here. There has not been any rancor or unpleasantness about it [....] I know she will go on to a wonderful career [...] and I will miss her very much." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 29, No. 6/7, p. 113) Taylor also said, "It was a mutual feeling [....] [Jennifer Lien] just felt her character wasn't going anywhere, so it was a very amicable and mutual decision." (Star Trek Monthly issue 31, pp. 4 & 13)
Those in charge changed their minds and kept Wang, not because of some common "popularity" but because of a silly poll among the staff of a glossy magazine where Wang ended up among "the 50 most handsome".

Jeri Taylor's rubbish about "mutual feeling" and that awful word "mutual agreement looks like a typical propaganda phrase. As a matter of fact, some years in the entertaining business has taught me that everytime the words "mutual agreement" shows up, then it's foul play involved.

What I know, Jennifer was very upset when she was told to leave and the rest of the cast weren't too happy about it either.

If there had been some truth in Mrs Taylor's statement, Then the whole thing would have been explained in the same way as when the actress who played Caitlin Todd in NCIS told the world why she had been written out of NCIS. In the "Lien case", it was no comment at all from Jennifer Lien herself for a very, very long time. Only some vauge comments from those in charge which first inclined that Jennifer Lien had left on her own free will, then later on changed to "the character wasn't working".

If "the character wasn't working", then the writers didn't do the job they were paid for and should have been fired. If there was another reason, then Mrs. Taylor isn't telling the truth. I find it amazing and almost impossible that the writers, including Mrs. Taylor herself all of a sudden lost their ability to write for the character Kes just at the beginning of season 4 when they had managed to come up with good stories for the character up to the last minutes of season 3 (and in Mrs. Taylor's case even after Kes was dumped which she did show in the book "Pathways").

As for the details, I guess that Guy Gardener hit the nail on the head:
Wang was fired to make way for the hot chick.

Lien was fired to make way for the return of Wang.
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Old August 26 2013, 04:51 PM   #67
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Shame they got rid of kes she was one of my favs in voyager.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:08 PM   #68
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Something must have been coming down the pipe for quite a while. When Brannon Braga first had the idea for a Borg crewman, it was male. Rick Berman suggested making it female.
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Old August 26 2013, 05:50 PM   #69
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I'm joining in late here but....Garrett Wang was chosen to be fired because of his behavior, constantly being late and such. He was even suspended for a few episodes. But popularity saved him

As for Lien leaving the show, she had a 3 year contract, after season 3 it was up and not renewed. She wasn't upset about it and she moved on with her life
In an article appearing in [COLOR=#ba0000]Star Trek: Communicator issue 134[/COLOR], Lien recalled, " was on for a few seasons, then they asked me to leave. They decided not to renew my contract. I didn't ask why I was not being renewed, I just said 'okay' and moved on."

Jeri Taylor admitted, "These things are never cut-and-dried. It's never one thing. I think Jennifer had a wish to move on, and that coincided with some thinking here. There has not been any rancor or unpleasantness about it [....] I know she will go on to a wonderful career [...] and I will miss her very much." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 29, No. 6/7, p. 113) Taylor also said, "It was a mutual feeling [....] [Jennifer Lien] just felt her character wasn't going anywhere, so it was a very amicable and mutual decision." (Star Trek Monthly issue 31, pp. 4 & 13)
Those in charge changed their minds and kept Wang, not because of some common "popularity" but because of a silly poll among the staff of a glossy magazine where Wang ended up among "the 50 most handsome".

Jeri Taylor's rubbish about "mutual feeling" and that awful word "mutual agreement looks like a typical propaganda phrase. As a matter of fact, some years in the entertaining business has taught me that everytime the words "mutual agreement" shows up, then it's foul play involved.

What I know, Jennifer was very upset when she was told to leave and the rest of the cast weren't too happy about it either.

If there had been some truth in Mrs Taylor's statement, Then the whole thing would have been explained in the same way as when the actress who played Caitlin Todd in NCIS told the world why she had been written out of NCIS. In the "Lien case", it was no comment at all from Jennifer Lien herself for a very, very long time. Only some vauge comments from those in charge which first inclined that Jennifer Lien had left on her own free will, then later on changed to "the character wasn't working".

If "the character wasn't working", then the writers didn't do the job they were paid for and should have been fired. If there was another reason, then Mrs. Taylor isn't telling the truth. I find it amazing and almost impossible that the writers, including Mrs. Taylor herself all of a sudden lost their ability to write for the character Kes just at the beginning of season 4 when they had managed to come up with good stories for the character up to the last minutes of season 3 (and in Mrs. Taylor's case even after Kes was dumped which she did show in the book "Pathways").

As for the details, I guess that Guy Gardener hit the nail on the head:
Wang was fired to make way for the hot chick.

Lien was fired to make way for the return of Wang.
Well, since none of us were there and don't know the absolute truth, I will believe what the actress herself said. If she said there were no hard feelings, then I will believe there were no hard feelings.

As for the cast being upset, well obviously they would be, they had worked many long hours together for 3 years and were a close cast, so yes, they were upset about her leaving. But that doesn't mean she was necesarily upset to go. That is the life of an actor, you get a job, your contract runs out, you move on. They know that going in. She was lucky to get even three years out of an acting job. Most actors don't even get that.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:31 PM   #70
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Note that her comments about the firing is a rather recent one. She kept quiet about the subject for many years, only admitting once, when asked about it at a convention that: "Yes, I was fired!".

If she had been that happy to leave as Mrs. Taylor states, then she would have told the world about it then, explaining why it was so necessary to leave Voyager and start a new career.

I can compare with myself there. A couple of years ago, I was fired from a job I really liked (for economical reasons). I was very angry and disappointed at the time. Today, if people ask me about that event, I just shrug and say "s**t happens". I've left it behind me a long time ago, even if I still think that the company handled it badly at the time.

As for the "Lien case", I still think that it was badly handled by those in charge and the firing was unnecessary as well.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:33 PM   #71
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Note that her comments about the firing is a rather recent one. She kept quiet about the subject for many years, only admitting once, when asked about it at a convention that: "Yes, I was fired!".

I can compare with myself there. A couple of years ago, I was fired from a job I really liked (for economical reasons). I was very angry and disappointed at the time. Today, if people ask me about that event, I just shrug and say "s**t happens". I've left it behind me a long time ago, even if I still think that the company handled it badly at the time.

As for the "Lien case", I still think that it was badly handled by those in charge and the firing was unnecessary as well.
Well firing is different than a contract not being renewed. It's like being fired vs being laid off.

Anyway, like I said since we weren't there to know the real feelings, I will believe the actress herself when she said there were no hard feelings and she wasn't upset about it. If it makes you happy you can believe otherwise
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Old August 26 2013, 06:39 PM   #72
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Well, we can always use semantics here. But as I see it, it can technically be regarded as a firing or something similar since all the other cast members were allowed to stay.

Believing that she wasn't as happy to leave at the time doesn't actually make me happy in any way. The whole story is rather sad, as I see it.

There are just some pieces that doesn't fit together here and haven't done so since the very first beginning of this story.
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Old August 26 2013, 06:52 PM   #73
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it seems to me like everything fits fine. Jennifer lien and a few other actors had three year contracts, others had a full seven year contract. After three years her contract was not renewed, she left the show. What missing pieces are there?

and does it really matter? it was so many years ago, everyone involved has moved on. And in my opinon the show got much better season 4 on so perhaps the change was for the better.

I have heard many people say that Lien was never comfortable in front of the camera and she was not upset to go, even the other actors said that

Immediately after Kate Mulgrew filmed her scenes of the first four episodes of Star Trek: Voyager's fourth season, she remarked, "She'll probably be a big movie star, you know? I'm sure it's happened for a reason." Mulgrew also speculated, "It may be good [for the series] in the long run. I trust my producers on this level, because they are good people, and they're looking at the welfare of the show." (Star Trek Monthly issue 33, p. 20)
During the fifth season, Dawson reflected, "It was hard losing Jennifer. It was something that I guess just happened, and I think Jennifer needed to move on as well.
anyway, like I said, if the actors themselves said something happened a certain way, that's what I'll believe since I wasn't there myself. If you think the actors are lying and covering up some conspiracy that's your business, either way I still have a show that I love
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All this speculation just lets one drink whoever's Kool-Aid is tastier.
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All this speculation just lets one drink whoever's Kool-Aid is tastier.
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