"Terok Nor" and "Millenium" - Page 2

Reanok · January 22 2013, 08:22 PM

The Mirror universe novels and The DS9 Terok Nor and Milleniumn stories are really good.Terok Nor Day of the vipers is my favorite book of the 3 Terok nor books Exploring the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor.The Myraid Universe books have alot of great stories too,Rise like Lions is an awesome book.

toughlittleship · January 22 2013, 08:33 PM

Terok Nor is a lot more character based than Millennium, which is more of a high concept adventure.

rfmcdpei · January 23 2013, 03:05 AM

ronny wrote:

The first book in the Terok Nor trilogy is great. The other 2 books are pretty good but aren't quite up to par with the first one. I thought this was the better of the 2 trilogies.

I liked the first book in the Millennium trilogy but each one after that got successfully worse for me and it was a steep drop, as in I didn't care for the third book much at all.

Terok Nor and Millennium each do different things, and do each brilliantly.

Technobuilder · January 26 2013, 07:20 PM

Terok Nor: Day of the Vipers is a great read. I really wish James Swallow had been given that entire trilogy.

tomswift2002 · February 18 2013, 05:41 PM

Millenium was a great trilogy; all three books---although for some reason when I bought my copies in 2002 the first and third books were 2nd printings, but the second book was still a 1st printing (which I seem to find a lot of with trilogies, the two end books sell the most, but then the middle book just kind of sits there, which is odd---sure it doesn't really tie-up anything, but still it's the middle of the story).

Terok Nor I managed to read the first book of the trilogy, but then I found the second book just ran out of gas right from the start, and I'm still trying to finish the book.

theblitz · February 18 2013, 07:19 PM

My "Rising Son" turned up just after I finished Left Hand of Destiny.
Just finished reading that and now it's time for the mirror universe ones.

Longish books so should take me a few days.

Reanok · February 18 2013, 09:38 PM

I really like the Millenum books I thought they were well written and really liked tthem alot.I decided to buy the omnibus that has all 3 books in it the print wa sin a larger size and easier to read than the original books.The Terok Nor books were good.I re-read them last summer.favorite son is one of my favorire books from the ds9 relaunch.

JD · February 19 2013, 12:45 AM

tomswift2002 wrote:

Millenium was a great trilogy; all three books---although for some reason when I bought my copies in 2002 the first and third books were 2nd printings, but the second book was still a 1st printing (which I seem to find a lot of with trilogies, the two end books sell the most, but then the middle book just kind of sits there, which is odd---sure it doesn't really tie-up anything, but still it's the middle of the story).

That is weird. I would think if the third book would be the one that would sell the worst, from people who star the series but stop before they get to the end.

tomswift2002 · February 19 2013, 02:41 PM

JD wrote:

That is weird. I would think if the third book would be the one that would sell the worst, from people who star the series but stop before they get to the end.

You would think so, but I've picked up trilogies for multiple series, some where when I picked them up the first and third books had gone out-of-print, but there were still copies of book two available, so I had too look for the other two parts on the second hand market.

Therin of Andor · February 20 2013, 05:40 PM

JD wrote:

That is weird. I would think if the third book would be the one that would sell the worst, from people who star the series but stop before they get to the end.

Not so weird. For a popular mini-series, the print run is often upped for each installment. With "Mission: Gamma", the first book had the word count of two-and-a-half (then-standard) ST novels and yet sold very well, so extra copies were ordered for each subsequent part. Meaning that Book 1, which was expensive to publish, ended up quickly falling out of print.

Some of the early duologies came out at the same time, and some trilogies came out two parts in one month and one in another. Lots of variables. Predicting print runs for the first edition of a novel must be an awful chore.

The middle volume of "Millennium" was the one I struggled with. The first book was supported by an audio novel and the final part was a great book.

Paper Moon · February 21 2013, 09:24 PM

King Daniel wrote:

I loved the Millenium trilogy. Lots of alternate-future craziness with the Grigari, some of Treklit's most horrifying baddies. Haven't read Terok Nor yet.

This is exactly my situation as well. If you're a DS9 fan, I highly recommend getting Millenium (though not at the exclusion of other things, of course), ideally in the omnibus form. I think the authors "got" DS9 (the characters, the kinds of stories, the dialogue) very very well. It reads like the DS9 six-part post-finale cinematic event that we never got, but we all know we should've.

(But actually.)

Odo wrote:

Haven't read it, but doesn't Cast Now Shadow by Swallow also have some Vaughn back-story?

Yup. He plays pretty prominently in there, actually (and, if you've read other Vaughn books, he has more background than some of the canon characters). That said, unless you're being completist, I don't really recommend it highly. It was good, but I felt Swallow underused a really rich canvas he had been given (post-TUC era). I also really didn't care for what he did with Valeris.

Therin of Andor wrote:

The middle volume of "Millennium" was the one I struggled with. The first book was supported by an audio novel and the final part was a great book.

That's interesting; of the three of them, book 2 is probably the easiest for me. I'm a sucker for that kind of alt-history stuff. Book 3, though great, is, well, a bit complex.

Mr. Laser Beam · February 21 2013, 11:25 PM

^ Book 2 was also my favorite. I thought the "dueling Starfleets" angle was pretty cool. And I love that scene where the Defiant crew think they are about to be executed by airlock, and the Bajoran crewmembers volunteer to sacrifice themselves but Worf won't let them - he is impressed by their honor nonetheless.

Reanok · February 22 2013, 07:50 PM

The warring Starfleets was a really different approach to take in the books.Iliked Jake and Nogs friendsip thatw as explored in the book.

tomswift2002 · February 23 2013, 02:52 AM

Well with mini-series I like to get all the parts either at once, or as they come out so that I can read them in order. Of course with "Millenium" I remember when I got the series, I ordered all 3 parts at once, but then the books came in backwards (starting with 3), and with about two weeks between each. I don't like starting a story and then skipping over the middle to read the end.

January 22 2013, 08:22 PM	#16
Reanok Commodore	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" The Mirror universe novels and The DS9 Terok Nor and Milleniumn stories are really good.Terok Nor Day of the vipers is my favorite book of the 3 Terok nor books Exploring the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor.The Myraid Universe books have alot of great stories too,Rise like Lions is an awesome book.

January 22 2013, 08:33 PM	#17
toughlittleship Fleet Captain Location: United Kingdom	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" Terok Nor is a lot more character based than Millennium, which is more of a high concept adventure.

January 26 2013, 07:20 PM	#19
Technobuilder Commodore Location: Nashville, TN	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" Terok Nor: Day of the Vipers is a great read. I really wish James Swallow had been given that entire trilogy. __________________ "You fool! You've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well known is this - "Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!"

February 18 2013, 05:41 PM	#20
tomswift2002 Captain	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" Millenium was a great trilogy; all three books---although for some reason when I bought my copies in 2002 the first and third books were 2nd printings, but the second book was still a 1st printing (which I seem to find a lot of with trilogies, the two end books sell the most, but then the middle book just kind of sits there, which is odd---sure it doesn't really tie-up anything, but still it's the middle of the story). Terok Nor I managed to read the first book of the trilogy, but then I found the second book just ran out of gas right from the start, and I'm still trying to finish the book.

February 18 2013, 07:19 PM	#21
theblitz Lieutenant Commander Location: Israel	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" My "Rising Son" turned up just after I finished Left Hand of Destiny. Just finished reading that and now it's time for the mirror universe ones. Longish books so should take me a few days.

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February 18 2013, 09:38 PM	#22
Reanok Commodore	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" I really like the Millenum books I thought they were well written and really liked tthem alot.I decided to buy the omnibus that has all 3 books in it the print wa sin a larger size and easier to read than the original books.The Terok Nor books were good.I re-read them last summer.favorite son is one of my favorire books from the ds9 relaunch.

February 21 2013, 11:25 PM	#27
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" ^ Book 2 was also my favorite. I thought the "dueling Starfleets" angle was pretty cool. And I love that scene where the Defiant crew think they are about to be executed by airlock, and the Bajoran crewmembers volunteer to sacrifice themselves but Worf won't let them - he is impressed by their honor nonetheless. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

February 22 2013, 07:50 PM	#28
Reanok Commodore	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" I like the fact Jadzia Dax was able to get rid of Gul Dukat possed by the pah wraiths.It was great to see her have an important role in the story The warring Starfleets was a really different approach to take in the books.Iliked Jake and Nogs friendsip thatw as explored in the book.

February 23 2013, 02:52 AM	#29
tomswift2002 Captain	Re: "Terok Nor" and "Millenium" Well with mini-series I like to get all the parts either at once, or as they come out so that I can read them in order. Of course with "Millenium" I remember when I got the series, I ordered all 3 parts at once, but then the books came in backwards (starting with 3), and with about two weeks between each. I don't like starting a story and then skipping over the middle to read the end.