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Old February 18 2014, 05:06 AM   #181
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

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I found a lot of the Jadzia/Worf romance almost unwatchable.
(Gentle nudge back on topic)
I would say that the topic is debating as to whether Ezri counts as the absolute worst DS9 character, is it not? I was merely positing why Ezri is, as a character, less deserving of that title than Worf might be.

Perhaps I was a bit verbose in my explanation, but I wouldn't want to be accused of not having a foundation for the basis of my opinion.
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Old February 18 2014, 05:15 AM   #182
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^ You're fine, Ezri and Worf are like peas and carrots. In a discussion about Ezri's character, Worf has to be a part of it.
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Old February 18 2014, 05:18 AM   #183
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^ You're fine, Ezri and Worf are like peas and carrots.
Round and squishy and good in soup?
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Old February 18 2014, 07:06 AM   #184
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Round and squishy and good in soup?
Not the words I would choose, but I think that's an acceptable way to describe them.
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Old February 18 2014, 09:11 AM   #185
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

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I'll probably catch a lot of flak for it...

But honestly, if there was one character that DS9 could have existed entirely without, I'm sorry to say it... but it would be, in my humble opinion...

Worf.
Agreed. I couldn't stand him on TNG, and especially not on DS9 after he and Jadzia got together to make the "Klingon/Trill Super-Duper Couple." It's a shame Terry Farrell didn't quit/get fired (not sure which) several seasons earlier. I liked Ezri.
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Old February 18 2014, 01:39 PM   #186
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

If you're really anti-Worf, look up 'Worf gets denied' on YouTube. I'm not big on posting videos on forums, but it's pretty easy to find. I like Worf and thought it was hilarious when I first watched it.
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Old February 18 2014, 07:28 PM   #187
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There's no need to concede to majority opinion, but I am going to point out if you make specific arguments I consider flawed, like the criticism of the Klingons in Children of Time.

I agree Worf often acts selfishly, and I agree he takes his emotions out on other people for no good reason, but I don't consider his dislike of Quark 'Racist'. Quark is a person who interferes with order and lawfulness, and that is why he dislikes him. I would have liked it if he faced more of the consequences in cases where he went around breaking things. But I don't fault him for desiring to control his own environment and associate more with people who value order the way he does.
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Old February 18 2014, 08:09 PM   #188
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" I don't consider his dislike of Quark 'Racist' "
And that is of course your right, however I must point out that I have presented a number of pieces of direct evidence as to Worf's racism beyond the simple fact that he kept irritatingly referring to Quark as "That Ferengi" long past the point of when as a station commander he should/would have known his name-

Let me ask you this question, just as a matter of conjecture- if someone were to walk up to you and say this-
"The idea of a 'xxxxx' being in love with a 'yyyyy' is offensive", replacing of course the "xxxx" and "yyyy" with almost any race or (in ST terms, species)...

Would that not come across to you as something racist?

Worf says it -to Quark's FACE- and nobody bats an eye, because he's Worf.
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Old February 18 2014, 10:15 PM   #189
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If you're really anti-Worf, look up 'Worf gets denied' on YouTube. I'm not big on posting videos on forums...
I don't mind.

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Old February 18 2014, 10:38 PM   #190
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

To me Worf became a rounded character on DS9, something he never was on TNG. DS9 gave him the opportunity to truly fall in love, experience command, meet a klingon that taught him what it meant to be a klingon in the truest sense (Martok). Worf got to loosen up, have fun and for me DS9 defines his character. In Ezri he had the opportunity to open up to someone who knew him deeply and could give him good counsel. I think DS9 would have been missing something with out both of these characters.
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Old February 18 2014, 11:09 PM   #191
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I think Michael Dorn said it best. Something like...he had the most fun on TNG (clearly they enjoyed goofing off on-set), but he is most proud of his work on DS9 (a more serious set, but arguably the better series for character development).
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Old February 18 2014, 11:39 PM   #192
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

And then Berman and Co. snatched everything he accomplished on DS9 away from him.
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Old February 18 2014, 11:49 PM   #193
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Worf's "racism," which rarely sunk lower than being judgmental, isn't really a good measure of how good of a character he was. Dukat's racism far exceeded Worf's, extending into political and economic exploitation and prejudicial justice. However, Dukat is arguably a better character than Worf, and within the context of DS9 alone, probably more memorable. Indeed, the major narratives of DS9 hinge on Dukat. Of course, Dukat is no roll model, but DS9 is also not PBS morning television.
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Old February 18 2014, 11:49 PM   #194
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Thanks for exacerbating my point dub. Love or hate Worf, if you can't watch that and laugh you have no business calling yourself a Trekkie. What about Ezri?
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Old February 19 2014, 02:36 PM   #195
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

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I think Michael Dorn said it best. Something like...he had the most fun on TNG (clearly they enjoyed goofing off on-set), but he is most proud of his work on DS9 (a more serious set, but arguably the better series for character development).
And you can see that when you watch the character side by side in both series.

I think Ezri, given one season, becomes a very rounded character and is honestly one of my favorites. When we talked about Jadzia on Literary Treks, we talked about how she is able to help those around her find themselves because of her many life times. Ezri is able to do that for Worf, as we have mentioned here and that is a big accomplishment for a character of only one season.
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