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Old January 25 2013, 12:37 PM   #31
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Re: 98th Annual Ronalds (film nominations)

Prometheus the best picture of last year?
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Old January 25 2013, 03:06 PM   #32
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Unquestionably. But what did you think about the first decade of winners?

Here's 1926's:

BEST PICTURE

The Battleship Potemkin
Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
The Freshman
The Gold Rush
The Phantom of the Opera

BEST DIRECTOR

Charles Chaplin, THE GOLD RUSH
Sergei Eisenstein, THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN
Rupert Julian, THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
Fred C. Newmeyer and Sam Taylor, THE FRESHMAN
Fred Niblo, BEN-HUR! A TALE OF THE CHRIST

BEST ACTOR

Lon Chaney, THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
Charles Chaplin, THE GOLD RUSH
Harold Lloyd, THE FRESHMAN
Ramon Navarro, BEN-HUR: A TALE OF THE CHRIST
Conrad Veidt, THE HANDS OF ORLAC

BEST ACTRESS

Dorothy Dwan, THE WIZARD OF OZ
Georgia Hale, THE GOLD RUSH
Linda Moglia, CYRANO DE BERGERAC
Mary Philbin, THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
Jobyna Ralston, THE FRESHMAN

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

A. Antonov, THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN
Francis X. Bushman, BEN-HUR: A TALE OF THE CHRIST
Angelo Ferrari, CYRANO DE BERGERAC
Oliver Hardy, THE WIZARD OF OZ
Mack Swain, THE GOLD RUSH

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Betty Bronson, BEN-HUR: A TALE OF THE CHRIST
Mary Carr, THE WIZARD OF OZ
May McAvoy, BEN-HUR: A TALE OF THE CHRIST
Virginia Pearson, THE WIZARD OF OZ
Beatrice Vitoldi, THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN

BEST SCREENPLAY

Nina Agadzhanova, Nikolai Aseyev, Sergei Eisenstein and Sergei Tretyakov, THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN
Mario Camerini, CYRANO DE BERGERAC
Charles Chaplin, THE GOLD RUSH
Elliott J. Clawson and Raymond L. Shrock, THE PHANTOM OF
THE OPERA
June Mathis and Carey Wilson, BEN-HUR: A TALE OF THE
CHRIST


BEST MUSICAL SCORE

William Axt and David Mendoza, BEN-HUR: A TALE OF THE
CHRIST
Carli Elinor, THE GOLD RUSH
Vladimir Heifetz, THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN
Gustav Hinrichs, THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
Henning Lohner, THE HANDS OF ORLAC

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

The Battleship Potemkin
Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
Cyrano De Bergerac
The Gold Rush
The Phantom of the Opera

BEST ART DIRECTION

Same as above, but Potemkin wins.

BEST COSTUME DESIGN

Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
Cyrano De Bergerac
The Gold Rush
The Phantom of the Opera
The Wizard of Oz

BEST EDITING

The Battleship Potemkin
Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
The Gold Rush
The Hands of Orlac
The Phantom of the Opera

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS

Same as above, but Phantom wins.

BEST SOUND

Bupkus.
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Old January 25 2013, 05:18 PM   #33
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Unquestionably. But what did you think about the first decade of winners?
Well, so far Battleship Potemkin & Nosferatu are the only ones I have seen, both were very interesting, you can see their influence reverberating throughout the 20th century in film.

I'll know a lot more as you get into the 30s and 40s, the 40s being one of my favourite decades of film and music.
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Old January 26 2013, 12:15 AM   #34
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Embarrassing correction: my previous ''1926'' post was, in fact, nominations and wins for 1925. The actual 1926s are tomorrow.

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Nosferatu bores me to tears. Battleship Potemkin is a much more dynamic movie. I've also seen The Gold Rush. It's probably my favorite of the three; among early cinema, Chaplin most often endures.
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Old January 26 2013, 01:28 AM   #36
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I totally approve of the love for Nosferatu and especially Dr. Mabuse, the Gambler (one of my favourite movies). I've been less impressed with Eisenstein than I should be but I have a hard time getting over the obvious propaganda angle of his movies. It seriously hampered my enjoyment of them - that's also true for other movies made under similar conditions. But I do understand why Potemkin sweeped the awards. I would have expected a bit more for The Hands of Orlac. I must confess that I haven't seen many of the nominated movies from the 20s (and it's quite possible that some of them don't even exist anymore). I really need to watch Greed.
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Old January 26 2013, 01:43 AM   #37
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Oh, Soviet cinema was certainly didactic -- especially with Eisenstein's conception of what cinema should be -- but I find the visual power of the Odessa Steps sequence hard to argue with. It's no surprise that so many films have either paid homage to it or just stolen it outright. Some of Eisenstein's other films are less impressive, though, and his writing is at times a total mess.

It also helps to see the movie with a different score than what's currently on the DVD, I think (or, at least, the version I've heard on DVD). That can make a big difference with silents, but recording an orchestral score is financially untenable for most of them. Metropolis is a terrific exception to that rule, since it is so well known.
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Old January 26 2013, 03:39 AM   #38
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Yes, some of the experiments regarding the score of silent movies are pretty horrible. There was also a version of Metropolis with rather annoying electronic music before the remaster before the recovery of most of the missing parts. The version of Nosferatu I own (a UK version I bought because at the time there wasn't a German version available on DVD) also comes with an annoying modern score I always have to mute.
Metropolis also is an exception because the original score is so interconnected with the movie. Its composer was present during the making of the movie and wrote some of it basically on set in accordance with the rhythm of the movie. That makes it much more impressive, I think, and the whole movie more of a masterpiece.
However, it isn't necessary to employ a whole orchestra for the score of a silent movie. For the DVD of Dr. Mabuse, the Gambler they had a new score composed and recorded (because the original score is lost) which consists of piano and a very small string section. I love it and it fits the movie really well.
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This begs the question: when METROPOLIS was re-released with the '80s music, was that version 30 minutes shorter because of MTV short attention spans, or were the other minutes actually still missing at the time? My 1990 VHS ran two hours, but more missing moments have been unearthed since.

1926 (THE REAL 1926)

BEST PICTURE

Faust
La Boheme
The Lodger
Metropolis
Tartuffe

BEST DIRECTOR

Alfred Hitchcock, THE LODGER
Fritz Lang, METROPOLIS
F.W. Murnau, FAUST
F.W. Murnau, TARTUFFE
King Vidor, LA BOHEME

BEST ACTOR

Ronald Colman, BEAU GESTE
Gustav Frolich, METROPOLIS
John Gilbert, LA BOHEME
Emil Jannings, TARTUFFE
Ivor Novello, THE LODGER

BEST ACTRESS

Lillian Gish, LA BOHEME
Brigitte Helm, METROPOLIS
Alice Joyce, BEAU GESTE
June, THE LODGER
Raquel Meller, CARMEN

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

Neil Hamilton, BEAU GESTE (aka Comissioner Gordon)
Emil Jannings, FAUST
Malcolm Keen, THE LODGER
Rudolf Klein-Rogge, METROPOLIS
Henry B. Walthall, THE SCARLET LETTER

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Renee Adoree, LA BOHEME
Marie Ault, THE LODGER
Mary Brian, BEAU GESTE
Lil Dagover, TARTUFFE
Lucie Hoflich, TARTUFFE

BEST SCREENPLAY

Fred De Gresac and Ray Doyle, LA BOHEME
Johann Wolfgang Goethe and Hans Kyser, FAUST
Fritz Lang and Thea Von Harbou, METROPOLIS
Frances Marion, THE SCARLET LETTER
Eliot Stannard, THE LODGER

BEST MUSICAL SCORE

William Axt and David Mendoza, LA BOHEME
Myles Boisen, METROPOLIS
Ernesto Hallfer-Escriche, CARMEN
Ashley Irwin, THE LODGER
Hugo Riesenfeld, BEAU GESTE

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

Beau Geste
Faust
La Boheme
The Lodger
Metropolis

BEST ART DIRECTION

Beau Geste
Faust
La Boheme
Metropolis
The Scarlet Letter

BEST COSTUME DESIGN

Carmen
La Boheme
Metropolis
The Scarlet Letter
Tartuffe

BEST EDITING

Beau Geste
La Boheme
The Lodger
Metropolis
Tartuffe

BEST SPECIAL EFFECTS

The Black Pirate
Faust
Metropolis
Old Ironsides
The Sea Beast

BEST SOUND

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Mmh, I really have to ask - are those authentic winner lists from the 20s or were those lists made after the fact? I'm asking this because Metropolis was never shown in its original form in the US back in the day. It was re-edited and its plot thereby altered considerably by Channing Pollock at Paramount. He removed the Hel storyline completely and everything he deemed communist. In his memoirs he wrote that he thought the original plot was silly and implausible. I have my doubts about it being admired in the US at the time.

It didn't fare very well in Germany at the time, either, because it was only shown for a short amount of time. A few months later, the American version was shown.

Of the other movies, I've only seen Tartuffe and Faust which are both great. Murnau FTW.


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This begs the question: when METROPOLIS was re-released with the '80s music, was that version 30 minutes shorter because of MTV short attention spans, or were the other minutes actually still missing at the time? My 1990 VHS ran two hours, but more missing moments have been unearthed since.
Well, as I hinted at in my previous post, parts of the film were missing until very recently - a quarter of the film actually. Most of it was discovered in an old cinema in Buenos Aires in 2008, albeit as a low-quality copy. It was quite the sensation at the time because everyone had been resigned to the fact that those parts of the film would never be recovered. This basically complete version was released in 2010 (first in cinemas, then on DVD) with the original score (shortened accordingly). Before that, there had been a release of the remastered 'most-complete' version (missing a chunk but with inserts detailing the missing scenes), also with the original score. (That was in 2001 or 2002, I think). But now it's actually a real movie again.
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Your post confirms my suspicions that my present DVD for METROPOLIS is the ''almost-complete'' version. I'll need to get the latest Kino version once the price comes down.

The nominations and awards for 1915-2004 were all decided in 2004, working backwards. (I was born in 1966.) Later years were mostly decided two weeks after the year was over....since there's usually one major contender leftover to see after New York and L.A. already have. The 2012 holdover THIS year was ZERO DARK THIRTY.

1927, of course, is the time when the actual Academy awards began. Or 1927-8, technically. So you can expect overlapping nominations for certain films. Sometimes they even choose the right winners. Since they often don't, that's why I took action.
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Oh, so those are actually your awards? If so, did you actually see all those movies?
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Excepting GREED and CLEOPATRA, I've seen all the Best Picture winners, and between 66-80 percent of the acting nominees for the silent years. While early films are coming out on DVD more often, some remain currently lost. GREED is still not yet out on DVD, incomplete or otherwise. In order to maintain five major nominees per category, there are occasional ''best guesses'' for nominations for the acting. By 1930 if not earlier, with very rare exceptions, all acting noms have been seen and all winners are awarded sight seen.

1927

BEST PICTURE

The General
It
The Jazz Singer
Napoleon
Wings

BEST DIRECTOR

Clarence G. Badger, IT
Clyde Bruckman and Buster Keaton, THE GENERAL
Cecil B. DeMille, KING OF KINGS
Abel Gance, NAPOLEON
William A. Wellman, WINGS

BEST ACTOR

Richard Arlen, WINGS
Albert Dieudonne, NAPOLEON
Buster Keaton, THE GENERAL
Charles Rogers, WINGS
H.B. Warner, KING OF KINGS

BEST ACTRESS

Clara Bow, IT
Clara Bow, WINGS
Virginia Grey, UNCLE TOM'S CABIN
Marion Mack, THE GENERAL
May McAvoy, THE JAZZ SINGER

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

Gary Cooper, WINGS
Abel Gance, NAPOLEON
Vladimir Roudenko, NAPOLEON
Gunboat Smith, WINGS
Henry B. Walthall, WINGS

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Suzanne Bianchetti, NAPOLEON
Yvette Dieudonne, NAPOLEON
Margarita Fischer, UNCLE TOM'S CABIN
Marguerite Gance, NAPOLEON
Jaqueline Logan, KING OF KINGS

BST SCREENPLAY

Al Boasberg, Clyde Bruckman, Buster Keaton and Charles
Smith, THE GENERAL
Alfred A. Cohn, THE JAZZ SINGER
Abel Gance, NAPOLEON
Elinor Glyn, Hope Loring and Louis D. Lighton, IT
Hope Loring and Louis D. Lighton, WINGS

BEST MUSICAL SCORE

William Axt and Erno Rapee, KING OF KINGS
Gaylord Carter, WINGS
Carmine Coppola, Carl Davis and Arthur Honegger,
NAPOLEON

Robert Israel, THE GENERAL
Louis Silvers, et, al., THE JAZZ SINGER

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

The General
It
King of Kings
Napoleon
Wings

BEST ART DIRECTION

It
King of Kings
Napoleon
Uncle Tom's Cabin
Wings

BEST COSTUME DESIGN

It
The Jazz Singer
King of Kings
Napoleon
Wings

BEST EDITING
The General
It
The Jazz Singer
Napoleon
Wings

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS

The General
The Jazz Singer
King of Kings
Napoleon
Wings

SPECIAL SOUND AWARD

The Jazz Singer
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1928

BEST PICTURE

The Last Command
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Spies
Storm Over Asia
Un Chien Andalou

BEST DIRECTOR

Louis Bunuel and Salvador Dali, UN CHIEN ANDALOU
Carl Theodore Dreyer, THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC
Fritz Lang, SPIES
Vsevolod Pudovkin, STORM OVER ASIA
Josef Von Sternberg, THE LAST COMMAND

BEST ACTOR

Pierre Batchef, UN CHIEN ANDALOU
Valery Inkijinoff, STORM OVER ASIA
Emil Jannings, THE LAST COMMAND
Buster Keaton, STEAMBOAT BILL, JR.
Rudolf Klein-Rogge, SPIES

BEST ACTRESS

Evelyn Brent, THE LAST COMMAND
Maria Falconetti, THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC
Simonne Mareuil, UN CHIEN ANDALOU
Gerda Maurus, SPIES
Olga Tschechowa, MOULIN ROUGE

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

Ian Hunter, EASY VIRTUE
Brandon Hurst, THE MAN WHO LAUGHS
Tom McGuire, STEAMBOAT BILL, JR.
William Powell, THE LAST COMMAND
Babe Ruth, SPEEDY

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Marion Byron, STEAMBOAT BILL, JR.
Lien Deyers, SPIES
Marguerite Gance, THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER
Anel Sudakevich, STORM OVER ASIA
Loretta Young, LAUGH, CLOWN, LAUGH

BEST SCREENPLAY

Lajos Biro, John F. Goodrich and Josef Von Steinberg, THE
LAST COMMAND
Osip Brik and I. Novokshenov, STORM OVER ASIA
Salvador Dali and Louis Bunuel, UN CHIEN ANDALOU
Joseph Delteil and Carl Theodore Dreyer, THE PASSION OF
JOAN OF ARC
Fritz Lang and Thea Von Harbou, SPIES

BEST MUSICAL SCORE

Werner R. Heymann, SPIES
Douglas M. Protsik, EASY VIRTUE
Rafal Rozmus, THE LAST COMMAND
Ole Schmidt, THE PASSION OF JOAN OF ARC
Richard Wagner, UN CHIEN ANDALOU

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

Moulin Rouge
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Spies
Storm Over Asia
Steamboat Bill, Jr.

BEST ART DIRECTION

Moulin Rouge
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Spies
Storm Over Asia
Un Chien Andalou

BEST COSTUME DESIGN

The Last Command
Moulin Rouge
The Passion of Joan of Arc
Spies
Storm Over Asia

BEST EDITING

The Fall of the House of Usher
Spies
Steamboat Bill, Jr.
Storm Over Asia
Un Chien Andalou

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS

Same as above, but Spies wins.

BEST SOUND
None....
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1929

BEST PICTURE

Blackmail
The Cocoanuts
The Manxman
Noah's Ark
The Taming of the Shrew

BEST DIRECTOR

Michael Curtiz, NOAH'S ARK
Allan Dwan, THE IRON MASK
Alfred Hitchcock, BLACKMAIL
Alfred Hitchcock, THE MANXMAN
Sam Taylor, THE TAMING OF THE SHREW

BEST ACTOR

George Arliss, DISRAELI
Donald Calthrop, BLACKMAIL
Ronald Colman, BULLDOG DRUMMOND
Douglas Fairbanks, THE TAMING OF THE SHREW
Groucho Marx, THE COCOANUTS

BEST ACTRESS

Louise Brooks, PANDORA'S BOX
Dolores Costello, NOAH'S ARK
Anny Ondra, BLACKMAIL
Anny Ondra, THE MANXMAN
Mary Pickford, THE TAMING OF THE SHREW

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

Noah Beery, NOAH'S ARK
Chico Marx, THE COCOANUTS
Harpo Marx, THE COCOANUTS
Zeppo Marx, THE COCOANUTS
Cyril Ritchard, BLACKMAIL

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Sara Allgood, BLACKMAIL
Margaret Dumont, THE COCOANUTS
Clare Greet, THE MANXMAN
Dorothy Jordan, THE TAMING OF THE SHREW
Myrna Loy, NOAH'S ARK

BEST SCREENPLAY

Jack Cunningham, Douglas Fairbanks and Lotta Woods, THE
IRON MASK
Alfred Hitchcock and Benn W. Levy, BLACKMAIL
Fritz Lang and Thea Von Harbou, WOMAN IN THE MOON
Morrie Ryskind, THE COCOANUTS
Elliott Stannard, THE MANXMAN

BEST MUSICAL SCORE

Irving Berlin, THE COCOANUTS
Hubert Bath, BLACKMAIL
Nacio Herb Brown, THE BROADWAY MELODY
Gus Edwards, Nacio Herb Brown, et. al., THE HOLLYWOOD
REVUE OF 1929
Willy Schmidt-Gentner, WOMAN IN THE MOON

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

The Iron Mask
The Man with a Camera
Noah's Ark
The Taming of the Shrew
Woman in the Moon

BEST ART DIRECTION

Disraeli
The Iron Mask
Noah's Ark
The Taming of the Shrew
Woman in the Moon

BEST COSTUME DESIGN

The Cocoanuts
The Iron Mask
The Manxman
Noah's Ark
The Taming of the SDhrew

BEST EDITING

Blackmail
The Iron Mask
The Man with a Camera
The Mysterious Island
Noah's Ark

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS

The Iron Mask
The Man with a Camera
The Mysterious Island
Noah's Ark
Woman in the Moon

BEST SOUND

Blackmail
The Broadway Melody
The Cocoanuts
The Hollywood Revue of 1929
Noah's Ark
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