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Old January 14 2013, 01:08 AM   #16
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

It's cheating.

All time travel episodes are cheating.

Take out the time travel and would it be just as good?

Berman and Braga limit timetravel and Borg stories for everyone else.

Forbids it.

Ditto with the Borg.

But they almost exclusively only write Borg and Time Travel stories themselves.

It's a dirty conspiracy to create a monopoly.
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Old January 14 2013, 01:26 AM   #17
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

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Am I the only one who likes Non Sequitur?
No. But even more than Timeless, Kim is not the lead in Non Sequitur. That's why the episode makes no effort to show or even verbally justify Kim's determination to return. The real star of the show is alternate Tom Paris and how his inner nobility shines in the final sacrifice.
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Old January 14 2013, 01:29 AM   #18
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

Or it's revealing of Harry Kim's psyche. He has a willing girl who wants him and he's not even remotely tempted to stay and return to her?

It could've been a way better story if Kim was perfectly willing to say and live happily ever after with Libby, and even get promoted, but he sacrifices all that for Paris when he sees what a wreck his old friend had become.

As written, I think Harry Kim just enjoys suffering.
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Old January 14 2013, 01:50 AM   #19
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

Harry sacrifices everything for Daniel Byrd who didn't deserve to take his place.

Point is that the only reason Paris got kicked back to New Zealand was that he didn't have to save Kim glibly and comically and conversationally from being a dolt who was buying magic beans... What did Danny do so different that Paris felt that he had to thump Quark?

The more I think about it, Daniel Byrd started the fight and Paris tried to break it up or finish it, and because he was on probation they stipulated Zero tolerance regardless if he started the fight.

Daniel Byrd was a thug?

Would Janeway be better off with a Thug or a Dolt?
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Old January 14 2013, 01:57 AM   #20
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Thug. She didn't have any of those, but Chakotay could fill the dolt bill at need.
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Old January 14 2013, 03:12 AM   #21
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

what was the very first moment that harry got inbetween janeway and winning, or even getting home in the 19 episodes before Non Sequitor?

He made no impact.

The only Harry episode before non sequitor is Emanations which is about how he fell overboard and then shat on the Prime Directive on his was back to the ship, which is totally a zero sum game.

I don't think any one liked writing Harry stories or there would have been more Harry stories. Which is probably why they were going to kill him off.
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Old January 14 2013, 03:18 AM   #22
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I emjoyed timeless but why was harry the main character in this episode?.couldnt it been one of the other crewmembers?.
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Old January 14 2013, 09:24 AM   #23
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No. Because they were all already dead.
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Old January 15 2013, 05:41 AM   #24
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I think the writers just weren't creative enough to write Kim episodes. Every other character had some sort of gimmick so they could write stories without having to be too creative.

That's why Kim mostly showed up in the episodes that could have equally been about any character in the crew, like Emanations and Killing Game.
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Old January 15 2013, 07:54 AM   #25
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That's not how it's done.

The producer plots the season, which character they want the focus of each story and maybe three lines as a general outlline idea seed, and then they make the writers room fight over who gets what.

The producer then says to the room "I need 3 Chakotay stories, one of them has to be about his family, the other two make him look like an sshole because Beltran has been pissing me off, 2 B'Elanna stories possibly involving tribbles, and a Harry story about anything, can I see a show of hands? Who wants what?"

For some reason I think Berman stopped accepting Spec Scripts at some point, but I can't back up that cruddy memory of something someone here said.

(The room was mostly virtual constructed with lots of expensive long distance phone calls.)
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Old January 15 2013, 08:11 AM   #26
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

The best Kim episode was "Deadlock", when he was killed in a hull breach. Unfortunately, he was replaced by his counterpart from an alternate universe.
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Old January 15 2013, 08:20 AM   #27
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Re: Was Timeless the best Harry Kim episode better?

Garret Wang has now cut his hair.

He has announced this on Facebook.
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Old January 15 2013, 08:29 AM   #28
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That's understandable. Garret hasn't had a steady job for a long time, and on Voyager he got his hair cut for free. So getting a haircut is probably a big deal for him now.
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Apparently his parents are VERY happy about it.
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Old January 15 2013, 09:37 AM   #30
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You ever notice how those pointy sideburns all the boys on Voyager had are not something you would see on a regular bloke in the 90s or ever?

It's not that the hair cuts on the set were free it's probably that they were contractually obligated to maintain 24th century fashions.
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