Cytherian or Not

Captain McBain · January 22 2013, 04:45 AM

What do you think of the speculation that the trapped being from Star Trek V could be a rogue Cytherian? I'm sure some of you have heard this idea.

Mr. Laser Beam · January 22 2013, 04:50 AM

He didn't have the big blue jewelly thing in his head.

Melakon · January 22 2013, 05:03 AM

It's the first I've heard of it, and sounds to me like an attempt of fannish retconning, trying to position TNG as "real" Star Trek at the expense of anything else.

Memory Alpha makes no mention in its Background or Apocryphal sections that "God" and the Cytherians might be related.

Why can't "God" simply be an alien species never before seen or afterwards? Why does everything have to be connected?

Nerys Myk · January 22 2013, 05:11 AM

What's a Cytherian again?

Melakon · January 22 2013, 05:18 AM

The Cytherians turned Barclay into a supergenius and he hijacked the Enterprise to their distant region of space.

Captain McBain · January 22 2013, 05:23 AM

Melakon wrote:

It's the first I've heard of it, and sounds to me like an attempt of fannish retconning, trying to position TNG as "real" Star Trek at the expense of anything else.

Memory Alpha makes no mention in its Background or Apocryphal sections that "God" and the Cytherians might be related.

Why can't "God" simply be an alien species never before seen or afterwards? Why does everything have to be connected?

TNG is just as 'real' as the other Star Treks. Everything doesn't have to be related, but that doesn't mean that some things couldn't be related. Plus, the Cytherians and this being from Star Trek V look remarkably similar.

Melakon · January 22 2013, 05:29 AM

The "God" creature assumed many different appearances, there was no indication the Cytherians could do that.

Captain McBain · January 22 2013, 06:03 AM

I was unaware that the creature could assume different shapes. Unfortunately, the Cytherians were only in one episode, and we didn't even get to see Enterprise away team members on their planet.

DonIago · January 22 2013, 06:56 AM

...so what if it was?

But no, I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

Orac · January 22 2013, 10:27 AM

God in Star Trek V took the form of various floating heads and Sybok. The Cytherians projected the image of a floating head onto the bridge of the Enterprise in The Nth Degree. The Thasians did the same thing in Charlie X. Is god a Thasian?

King Daniel Into Darkness · January 22 2013, 11:39 AM

Considering the bajillion near-identical humans roaming the galaxy, surely there's more than one race of floating heads out there?

I imagine the Cytherian head was just a big hologram they projected onto the Enterprise bridge, that they're really average-sized humanoids. STV's being seemed able to project images onto his actual form, which was basically a beam of light/energy/whatever.

Timo · January 22 2013, 02:20 PM

Indeed, we aren't really even dealing with "a species of floating heads" here - basically every species in the galaxy communicates through projecting talking heads, and it's just a matter of tech balance whether the projection is on the opponent's viewscreen or somewhere else.

Timo Saloniemi

BillJ · January 22 2013, 02:59 PM

Bad episode, bad movie. Don't really care if they're connected or not.

Jonas Grumby · January 22 2013, 06:22 PM

Is there any particular reason to think he's a Cytherian? I suppose you could assign him to any one of the numerous already existing god-like species in Trek. Or just add him as one more entry on the list.

Melakon · January 22 2013, 07:35 PM

I used to have a Norelco rotary shaver with floating heads too. And then there were all those floating head hippies in the 60s. And then there was... ZARDOZ!

January 22 2013, 04:45 AM	#1
Captain McBain Commander Location: DS9 Mirror Universe	Cytherian or Not What do you think of the speculation that the trapped being from Star Trek V could be a rogue Cytherian? I'm sure some of you have heard this idea.

January 22 2013, 04:50 AM	#2
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Cytherian or Not He didn't have the big blue jewelly thing in his head. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

January 22 2013, 05:03 AM	#3
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Cytherian or Not It's the first I've heard of it, and sounds to me like an attempt of fannish retconning, trying to position TNG as "real" Star Trek at the expense of anything else. Memory Alpha makes no mention in its Background or Apocryphal sections that "God" and the Cytherians might be related. Why can't "God" simply be an alien species never before seen or afterwards? Why does everything have to be connected? __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

January 22 2013, 05:11 AM	#4
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: Cytherian or Not What's a Cytherian again? __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

January 22 2013, 05:18 AM	#5
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Cytherian or Not The Cytherians turned Barclay into a supergenius and he hijacked the Enterprise to their distant region of space. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

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January 22 2013, 05:29 AM	#7
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Cytherian or Not The "God" creature assumed many different appearances, there was no indication the Cytherians could do that. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

January 22 2013, 06:03 AM	#8
Captain McBain Commander Location: DS9 Mirror Universe	Re: Cytherian or Not I was unaware that the creature could assume different shapes. Unfortunately, the Cytherians were only in one episode, and we didn't even get to see Enterprise away team members on their planet.

January 22 2013, 06:56 AM	#9
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: Cytherian or Not ...so what if it was? But no, I don't think that makes a lot of sense. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"

January 22 2013, 10:27 AM	#10
Orac Vice Admiral Location: Platonius	Re: Cytherian or Not God in Star Trek V took the form of various floating heads and Sybok. The Cytherians projected the image of a floating head onto the bridge of the Enterprise in The Nth Degree. The Thasians did the same thing in Charlie X. Is god a Thasian? __________________ "Sorry, miss. I was giving myself an oil-job." - Robby the Robot (Forbidden Planet)

January 22 2013, 11:39 AM	#11
King Daniel Into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Cytherian or Not Considering the bajillion near-identical humans roaming the galaxy, surely there's more than one race of floating heads out there? I imagine the Cytherian head was just a big hologram they projected onto the Enterprise bridge, that they're really average-sized humanoids. STV's being seemed able to project images onto his actual form, which was basically a beam of light/energy/whatever. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

January 22 2013, 02:20 PM	#12
Timo Admiral	Re: Cytherian or Not Indeed, we aren't really even dealing with "a species of floating heads" here - basically every species in the galaxy communicates through projecting talking heads, and it's just a matter of tech balance whether the projection is on the opponent's viewscreen or somewhere else. Timo Saloniemi

January 22 2013, 02:59 PM	#13
BillJ Vice Admiral Location: Greater Cincinnati	Re: Cytherian or Not Bad episode, bad movie. Don't really care if they're connected or not. __________________ Boobies are evil!!!

January 22 2013, 06:22 PM	#14
Jonas Grumby Vice Admiral Location: Somewhere in the South Pacific	Re: Cytherian or Not Is there any particular reason to think he's a Cytherian? I suppose you could assign him to any one of the numerous already existing god-like species in Trek. Or just add him as one more entry on the list. __________________ "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer

January 22 2013, 07:35 PM	#15
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Cytherian or Not I used to have a Norelco rotary shaver with floating heads too. And then there were all those floating head hippies in the 60s. And then there was... ZARDOZ! __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard