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Old January 11 2013, 04:30 AM   #1
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can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

Hi i just had a quick question. I just came up with a wonderful idea. Since the star trek animated series had pretty good stories but most people disliked it due to it using bad animation. Why cant for a future blu ray release CBS just reanimate the series with top of the line animation while still using the same stories and voices by the actors. So is this possible and whats everyones thoughts on this?
Also I hope its okay I put this thread in the star trek original series catagory since i couldnt find any star trek anmated series catagory.
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Old January 11 2013, 05:47 AM   #2
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

I think it would be better to make a new animated series instead of reanimating an old one.
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Old January 11 2013, 05:58 AM   #3
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

I disagree with the premise that TAS "had pretty good stories." Most of them were abysmal, IMO.
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Old January 11 2013, 07:29 AM   #4
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

Expense. Animation is not cheap. I don't think it's as expensive as cleaning up and transferring film into HD, but starting from scratch would cost too much. I agree a new animated series would be the way to go, if you're going to be starting from scratch anyway.
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Old January 11 2013, 07:30 AM   #5
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

Didn't there used to be a TAS forum?
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Old January 11 2013, 02:45 PM   #6
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

Alas, no, there wasn't. various members have asked for one, but it was decided (so far) by the board operators that there would not be enough "traffic" for a dedicated sub-forum. And, since the animated series is presented as a continuation of the "five year mission" and not too much was changed (other than the medium) it made sense to keep animated series topics under the umbrella of the original series section.

Now, ptrope, moderator of the Trek fan art sub-forum has toyed with the idea of recreating a single episode from the cartoon using digital model animation in sync with the original soundtrack. He thought "The Time Trap" might be one of the more intriguing choices since it would depict various Enterprise sets, area of a Klingon ship and a council chamber aboard an alien vessel. It would also present the opportunity to show a variety of aliens including Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, Andorians, Tellarites, a Gorn and a few others not seen in the original series like an aquatic female and an insectoid.

And while he has built sets for these locales, Fate has dealt her cruel hand by causing at least two, maybe three disk crashes that wiped his work. Right now, the project is in extended limbo, but feel free to ask Ptrope any questions. Let me search for his ongoing thread and I'll provide the link.

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Old January 11 2013, 03:14 PM   #7
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

This cropped up a few weeks ago in another thread.

Most people seemed to want it reanimated. Personally, I think some of the episodes could do with a few tweaks to remove some of the silliness too. The consensus also included the inclusion of remasters of the original versions in the box set so you can choose.

I think they could probably 'make' a couple of new episodes using voice samples from other episodes and TOS, licenses allowing.
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Old January 11 2013, 03:25 PM   #8
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Ah, here's the thread in question!

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=35124

Yeah, I threw in my two cents on occasion.

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Old January 11 2013, 04:15 PM   #9
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

The backgrounds in "Yesteryear" were great.
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Old January 11 2013, 04:23 PM   #10
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Yep, impressive enough that when the original series was "remastered", the digital crew added a 3D creation of Spock's home town (we assume) to an establishing shot for "Amok Time" based upon the painting for "Yesteryear".

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Old January 11 2013, 04:38 PM   #11
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

I don't want TAS to be "reanimated." That's disrespectful to the original creation. Its animation wasn't actually bad, just limited. It was done in a style that was characteristic of the era in which it was made, and it was actually a better example of that style than a lot of its contemporary cartoons. Filmation's artwork may not have moved much, but it was generally more cleanly drawn and less error-filled than the work the other major US limited-animation studio, Hanna-Barbera, was doing at the time. And its background painting were beautiful, the best in the industry. I'd hate to see that artwork replaced by some generic 3D computer animation.

The only reason the FX shots were redone in TOS Remastered was because the optical techniques used at the time reduced the resolution of the film and made it unfeasible to bring those shots up to HD resolution. But since pretty much all of TAS is cel animation, the resolution and image quality should be pretty consistent throughout, so it would be an all-or-nothing kind of deal.

The only way I'd tolerate a reanimation would be if it kept the original look and feel of TAS -- the same background paintings, the same character designs and 2D art style, even the same shot composition and storyboarding to a large extent, just with more varied and fluid motion added and with errors corrected. (I think "The Time Trap," especially its first act, is fraught with animation errors and images that don't fit the dialogue. It could use some cleanup.) This might be doable. In the current Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles CG-animated series, there's a running gag of Leonardo being a fan of an old cartoon called Space Heroes, whose art style is an astonishingly accurate TAS/Filmation pastiche.
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Old January 11 2013, 05:13 PM   #12
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

I say leave it and, in fact, I actually wouldn't mind seeing new episodes animated in exactly the same style (sans true animation errors, of course), but with the same limited movement and designs.

My five year old loves it, we have all the Trek shows in our instant queue on Netflix and he asks for the Trek "with the monsters" (since they have more aliens).
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Old January 11 2013, 05:14 PM   #13
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

Well, obviously, such a project would likely never be done on a professional, commercial level. But, Christopher, do you honestly disapprove that much of Ptrope's opportunity to try such as a personal, recreational endeavor? D*mn...that's "cold"!

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Old January 11 2013, 05:41 PM   #14
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Re: can the star trek animated series be reanimated?

If he wants to do it, fine. He has every right. But I'd never want it to be issued as a "replacement" for the real thing.
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Old January 11 2013, 06:37 PM   #15
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If anything, I'd rather have the incidental music redone than the animation. There seemed to be so few cues they had to choose from.
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