RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 135,743
Posts: 5,215,814
Members: 24,215
Currently online: 752
Newest member: rpoe0728

TrekToday headlines

Q Meets NuTrek Crew
By: T'Bonz on Apr 18

Pine In Talks For Drama
By: T'Bonz on Apr 18

New X-Men: Days of Future Past Trailer
By: T'Bonz on Apr 17

Nimoy to Receive Award
By: T'Bonz on Apr 17

Star Trek Special: Flesh and Stone Comic
By: T'Bonz on Apr 16

These Are The Voyages TOS Season Two Book Review
By: T'Bonz on Apr 16

Kirk’s Well Wishes To Kirk
By: T'Bonz on Apr 15

Quinto In New Starz Series
By: T'Bonz on Apr 15

Star Trek: Horizon Film
By: T'Bonz on Apr 14

Star Trek: Fleet Captains Game Expansion
By: T'Bonz on Apr 14


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old December 28 2012, 10:36 PM   #1
GalaxyX
Rear Admiral
 
GalaxyX's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
Are the beams coming back?

Damn I hated those little "spit" phasers in the first movie.

I was hoping they would do what Trek has never done before:

Show a goddamned visible beam hit its target instantaneously at close to the speed of light, like a good energy weapon should.

Surprisingly, Enterprise and Nemesis were the closest to showing this. They were also the worst for everything else

Sadly, I fear the paintball speed "spit" bolt is here to stay
__________________
The Grand Nagus sees no difference between business and pleasure......
GalaxyX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 28 2012, 11:27 PM   #2
Kpnuts
Commodore
 
Kpnuts's Avatar
 
Location: London
Re: Are the beams coming back?

The "paintball speed spit bolt" looked awesome when the ship came out of warp though, even if it was more Wars than Trek.

Didn't the Kelvin fire beams at the Narada? They weren't speed of light, but close enough
Kpnuts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 28 2012, 11:33 PM   #3
SalvorHardin
Rear Admiral
 
SalvorHardin's Avatar
 
Location: Star's End
View SalvorHardin's Twitter Profile
Re: Are the beams coming back?

Kpnuts wrote: View Post
Didn't the Kelvin fire beams at the Narada?
Indeed the Kelvin did have beams.

As for the so called paintball bolts, they were more or less what we saw in TWOK. I'm guessing they will return.
SalvorHardin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 28 2012, 11:37 PM   #4
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Are the beams coming back?

Trek has never showed lightspeed (that is, instantaneous) beams: the ones from TOS generally traveled slowly enough for the eye to see, which is very slowly, even when dialogue suggested they were hitting targets that were moving at FTL speeds themselves (say, "Ultimate Computer").

What is unusual about the beams from the 2258 era of the eleventh movie is that they are fairly short, "Defiant length" pulses, whereas the pulses in ST2:TWoK were rather longer and the beams in TOS and TNG tended to dwell for several seconds and never flaunt their rear ends to the camera much. The pulses from the 2233 era of the movie were quite a bit longer, closer to what we saw in TOS or ST2.

Didn't the Kelvin fire beams at the Narada?
Well, good question. We don't know where Robau or Kirk aimed their red beams, but dialogue indicated that they (like the white bolts) were being used purely defensively, to parry Nero's projectiles. We never saw a beam hit the enemy ship proper, and the first damage experienced by the Narada in terms of dialogue or visuals or storyline was when Kirk rammed the Starfleet ship into her.

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 12:27 AM   #5
The Keeper
Commodore
 
The Keeper's Avatar
 
Location: Where reality ends and illusion begins
Re: Are the beams coming back?

I don't know.

However, I am now reminded of Doctor STUBBS asking Troi to "please turn off your beams into my soul." lol
The Keeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 12:30 AM   #6
Nerys Myk
Fleet Admiral
 
Nerys Myk's Avatar
 
Location: House of Kang, now with ridges
Re: Are the beams coming back?

No. Beams are so last Century.
__________________
The boring one, the one with Khan, the one where Spock returns, the one with whales, the dumb one, the last one, the one with Kirk, the one with the Borg, the stupid one, the bad one, the new one, the other one with Khan.
Nerys Myk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 01:52 AM   #7
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Are the beams coming back?

FTL weapons don't look good to the audience by virtue of moving faster than the human eye can track.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 04:16 AM   #8
GalaxyX
Rear Admiral
 
GalaxyX's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
Re: Are the beams coming back?

Kpnuts wrote: View Post
The "paintball speed spit bolt" looked awesome when the ship came out of warp though, even if it was more Wars than Trek.

Didn't the Kelvin fire beams at the Narada? They weren't speed of light, but close enough
I do remember the Kelvin firing beams. They were a bit like TNG beams.

Personally I think an instantaneous beam of energy that last for as long as you squeeze the trigger would look fuckin' cool as shit.

They just haven't ever tried one on Trek. Enterprise came close though.
__________________
The Grand Nagus sees no difference between business and pleasure......
GalaxyX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 05:39 AM   #9
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: Are the beams coming back?

^ In "Future's End" on VOY, the 29th century phaser (used by one of Starling's lackeys) fired an instantaneous beam.
__________________
Taysiders in Space. In amungst ye!

"Set phasers tae malky!"
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 06:27 AM   #10
Orac
Admiral
 
Orac's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: Are the beams coming back?

Mmmmmm. Laser Beans.
__________________
"Sorry, miss. I was giving myself an oil-job."
- Robby the Robot (Forbidden Planet)

ENTER | TOS Avatar Contest #47: The Immunity Syndrome
Orac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 06:47 AM   #11
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: Are the beams coming back?

^ Which, despite the sound of the phrase, is not my own recipe for chili.
__________________
Taysiders in Space. In amungst ye!

"Set phasers tae malky!"
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 08:32 AM   #12
Phily B
Fleet Captain
 
Phily B's Avatar
 
Location: United Kingdom
View Phily B's Twitter Profile
Re: Are the beams coming back?

The Kelvin looked to be firing the more traditional TNG type beams, but I thought the TOS Enterprise used to fire them closer to the way it was portrayed in 2009.
Phily B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 09:15 AM   #13
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: Are the beams coming back?

I actually like the shorter bolts. That was one aspect of Star Trek II that I was glad to see return in Star Trek XI. And the firefight aboard the Narada seemed more dangerous and intense to me.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 11:16 AM   #14
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Are the beams coming back?

Phily B wrote: View Post
The Kelvin looked to be firing the more traditional TNG type beams, but I thought the TOS Enterprise used to fire them closer to the way it was portrayed in 2009.
Kelvin fired TNG-type beams? Try TOS.


Here's a Kelvin pic for comparison: http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/trail3/05.jpg

The 2009 movie Enterprise phasers were like those in Wrath of Khan but with all banks firing at once.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29 2012, 02:44 PM   #15
The Mirrorball Man
Vice Admiral
 
The Mirrorball Man's Avatar
 
Location: Switzerland
View The Mirrorball Man's Twitter Profile
Re: Are the beams coming back?

<NicolasCage>"Nooo! The beams! Not the beams! Aaaargh!"</NicolasCage>
__________________
Check out my deviantArt gallery!
The Mirrorball Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:54 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.