Chekov in Red to Ceti Alpha V

Tom Riker · January 9 2013, 09:50 PM

So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony.

So there you go.

It's Khan.

Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

Dukhat · January 9 2013, 10:07 PM

Tom Riker wrote:

So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony.

So there you go.

It's Khan.

Undisputable proof, that is

Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

You know, I'm starting to hear more of this "Weller is Khan" stuff, now that BC isn't Khan. What's up with that? Are the fanboys so committed to having Khan in this movie that they need to justify it any way they can? Weller isn't that great of an actor. IMHO, his performance in ENT was terribly wooden. And if BC is the villain, why would Khan need to be in the movie at all?

Tom Riker · January 9 2013, 10:11 PM

Dukhat wrote:

Tom Riker wrote:

So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony.

So there you go.

It's Khan.

Undisputable proof, that is

Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

You know, I'm starting to hear more of this "Weller is Khan" stuff, now that BC isn't Khan. What's up with that? Are the fanboys so committed to having Khan in this movie that they need to justify it any way they can? Weller isn't that great of an actor. IMHO, his performance in ENT was terribly wooden. And if BC is the villain, why would Khan need to be in the movie at all?

Since 1982, Star Trek has been trying to re-create Khan and Star Trek 2. Can we really believe with a "new" trek 2 exactly 30 years later, they're not going to use the most iconic villian in Star Trek history?

Beagleman · January 9 2013, 10:19 PM

Yeah, I think we can believe that...

Sindatur · January 9 2013, 10:22 PM

Tom Riker wrote:

Dukhat wrote:

Tom Riker wrote:

So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony.

So there you go.

It's Khan.

Undisputable proof, that is

Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

You know, I'm starting to hear more of this "Weller is Khan" stuff, now that BC isn't Khan. What's up with that? Are the fanboys so committed to having Khan in this movie that they need to justify it any way they can? Weller isn't that great of an actor. IMHO, his performance in ENT was terribly wooden. And if BC is the villain, why would Khan need to be in the movie at all?

Since 1982, Star Trek has been trying to re-create Khan and Star Trek 2. Can we really believe with a "new" trek 2 exactly 30 years later, they're not going to use the most iconic villian in Star Trek history?

I can

King Daniel · January 9 2013, 10:23 PM

Tom Riker wrote:

So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony.

So there you go.

It's Khan.

Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

That's what came to my mind when I saw Chekov in red (although my sources were the novel Ex Machina and the old DC comic reference Who's Who in Star Trek - which all say pretty much the same thing)

Although I think Chekov wears red after Captain Peter Weller takes command of the Enterprise and shuffles around the remaining crew (after K, S and U leave SF to hunt Harrison on Kronos)

Dukhat · January 9 2013, 10:32 PM

Tom Riker wrote:

Since 1982, Star Trek has been trying to re-create Khan and Star Trek 2.

They have?

Can we really believe with a "new" trek 2 exactly 30 years later, they're not going to use the most iconic villian in Star Trek history?

No, because the whole point of creating the Abramsverse was so that they could tell new, original stories, not retread old ideas.

Franklin · January 9 2013, 10:48 PM

It might be a bit of contrived logic to think Chekov in red is a sign Weller is Khan. In the prime universe, Chekov ended up in security. So, maybe he just made the move earlier in this universe. Of course, he could be in engineering, too, since he seems to be running through engineering in a photo.

As is King Daniel, I'm on record having posted several times that I believe Weller is captain of the Enterprise while Kirk is "in civvies," and Chekov was just reassigned to either security or engineering (Chekov was, after all, the transporter whiz before Scotty came on board).

By the way, perhaps an easy way to determine if Weller is Khan would be to look at pictures of him from around the time of filming and see if he was bulked up at all. Also, for what it's worth, Weller is 65, and Montalban was 45 when "Space Seed" was filmed. Just pointing that out. Don't know if it matters. But can Weller play a superhuman in his mid-forties with any believability?

As pictures and dribs and drabs of the story come out, and the writers, producers, and actors do interviews and travel to promote the movie, the silence surrounding Weller and his character is certainly deafening.

Tom Riker · January 9 2013, 10:51 PM

Dukhat wrote:

Tom Riker wrote:

Since 1982, Star Trek has been trying to re-create Khan and Star Trek 2.

They have?

Can we really believe with a "new" trek 2 exactly 30 years later, they're not going to use the most iconic villian in Star Trek history?

No, because the whole point of creating the Abramsverse was so that they could tell new, original stories, not retread old ideas.

Shinzon, The Borg Queen, Dukat, Ru'Afo,

Sindatur · January 9 2013, 11:14 PM

Tom Riker wrote:

Dukhat wrote:

Tom Riker wrote:

Since 1982, Star Trek has been trying to re-create Khan and Star Trek 2.

They have?

Can we really believe with a "new" trek 2 exactly 30 years later, they're not going to use the most iconic villian in Star Trek history?

No, because the whole point of creating the Abramsverse was so that they could tell new, original stories, not retread old ideas.

Shinzon, The Borg Queen, Dukat, Ru'Afo,

Say what? In what way is the Borg Queen a Khan-copy, and even more bizarre Dukhat and Ru'Afo?

Tom Riker · January 9 2013, 11:36 PM

Sindatur wrote:

Tom Riker wrote:

Dukhat wrote:

They have?

No, because the whole point of creating the Abramsverse was so that they could tell new, original stories, not retread old ideas.

Shinzon, The Borg Queen, Dukat, Ru'Afo,

Say what? In what way is the Borg Queen a Khan-copy, and even more bizarre Dukhat and Ru'Afo?

all motivated by vengeneance and with the exception of Ruafo, had an axe to grind with the captain

CorporalClegg · January 9 2013, 11:42 PM

When all else fails, it's Greg's fault.

I like it!

The Wormhole · January 10 2013, 02:18 AM

While I certainly won't presume to speak for Greg Cox, I submit the theory that having Chekov in security in his novel served a double purpose of explaining how Khan recognized him and gave Chekov a security background which would presumably be necessary since he was the chief of security in TMP.

As for why Chekov is wearing red in the trailer, I'll just assume he's been transferred to security and I'll assume so until I hear official word (

) saying otherwise.

Therin of Andor · January 10 2013, 03:08 AM

Dukhat wrote:

Weller isn't that great of an actor. IMHO, his performance in ENT was terribly wooden.

And in "Robocop" he was metallic.

Therin of Andor · January 10 2013, 03:13 AM

The Wormhole wrote:

I submit the theory that having Chekov in security in his novel served a double purpose of explaining how Khan recognized him

Greg was following the lead planted by Vonda McIntyre in her ST II novelization, establishing a TOS-era friendship between Chekov and Marla.

gave Chekov a security background which would presumably be necessary since he was the chief of security in TMP.

The red security shirts, made for Koenig, to be used in the "Phase II" TV series saw onscreen duty as Orkan uniforms in Paramount's "Mork & Mindy".

January 9 2013, 09:50 PM	#1
Tom Riker Lieutenant	Chekov in Red to Ceti Alpha V So "Mister I never forget a face" Chekov is wearing red in the trailer indicating a transfer to secuirty or enginneering. Let's take the Greg Cox book Reign in Hell, Chekov was a reshirt in security who led Khan and his men down to Ceti Alpha V and helped established the colony. So there you go. It's Khan. Actually Cumberbatch is Jochim and Weller is Khan, hiding in the shadows ala Norman OSborne in 2012's Amazing Spiderman.

January 9 2013, 10:19 PM	#4
Beagleman Captain Location: European Union	Re: Chekov in Red to Ceti Alpha V Yeah, I think we can believe that...

January 9 2013, 10:48 PM	#8
Franklin Rear Admiral Location: In the bleachers	Re: Chekov in Red to Ceti Alpha V It might be a bit of contrived logic to think Chekov in red is a sign Weller is Khan. In the prime universe, Chekov ended up in security. So, maybe he just made the move earlier in this universe. Of course, he could be in engineering, too, since he seems to be running through engineering in a photo. As is King Daniel, I'm on record having posted several times that I believe Weller is captain of the Enterprise while Kirk is "in civvies," and Chekov was just reassigned to either security or engineering (Chekov was, after all, the transporter whiz before Scotty came on board). By the way, perhaps an easy way to determine if Weller is Khan would be to look at pictures of him from around the time of filming and see if he was bulked up at all. Also, for what it's worth, Weller is 65, and Montalban was 45 when "Space Seed" was filmed. Just pointing that out. Don't know if it matters. But can Weller play a superhuman in his mid-forties with any believability? As pictures and dribs and drabs of the story come out, and the writers, producers, and actors do interviews and travel to promote the movie, the silence surrounding Weller and his character is certainly deafening. __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain

January 9 2013, 11:42 PM	#12
CorporalClegg Vice Admiral Location: Nuevo México	Re: Chekov in Red to Ceti Alpha V When all else fails, it's Greg's fault. I like it!

January 10 2013, 02:18 AM	#13
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Chekov in Red to Ceti Alpha V While I certainly won't presume to speak for Greg Cox, I submit the theory that having Chekov in security in his novel served a double purpose of explaining how Khan recognized him and gave Chekov a security background which would presumably be necessary since he was the chief of security in TMP. As for why Chekov is wearing red in the trailer, I'll just assume he's been transferred to security and I'll assume so until I hear official word () saying otherwise. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

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