Crew members and their roles

[Lighthammer]

Brit wrote:

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The "Academy Lt." who was her instructor in Advanced Tactical Training was never formally identified as Chakotay. This was the original idea, but they decided against it on Voyager when dealing with Chakotay's backstory. The actual name of the instructor was never mentioned on screen. Chakotay's stated date of resignation on Voyager is a couple of years before Ro would have been at the Academy, anyway

They actually do --- Episode: "Preemptive Strike" right at the 8:47 mark on my video they mention "Lt Cmdr Chakotay" where Ro goes on to say "A man I both respect and admire...".

It actually would have been a very powerful opening to have Ro on Voyager if Michelle Forbes could be goated into settling, although what position she'd actually play is a bit of puzzle work. Ro Laren as Chief of Security would have probably been far more entertaining then Tuvok, but then again, we don't need Ro Laren and B'Elanna on the same ship; I don't think the structural integrity of the ship would hold >.<

[Guy Gardener]

Here's something you may not have considered.

Ro Laren was a member of Chakotay's crew, and she survived Caretaker, and she served on Voyager but she was always off camera during the action.

[tighr]

Lighthammer wrote:

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They actually do --- Episode: "Preemptive Strike" right at the 8:47 mark on my video they mention "Lt Cmdr Chakotay" where Ro goes on to say "A man I both respect and admire...".

You must have a different version than I do, then. I just pulled that episode up on Netflix. Her exact words:

"I'v heard a lot about the Maquis. One of my instructors at Tactical Training, a Lieutenant Commander in Starfleet, a man I both admired and respected, he was sympathetic to them. He resigned and left to join them."

[Timo]

Don't be tiresome. Lighthammer is entitled to pull evidence out of his ass, and it always trumps evidence actually given in Star Trek.

Timo Saloniemi

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Guy Gardener wrote:

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Here's something you may not have considered.

Ro Laren was a member of Chakotay's crew, and she survived Caretaker, and she served on Voyager but she was always off camera during the action.

What is that, torture?

[Lighthammer]

tighr wrote:

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You must have a different version than I do, then. I just pulled that episode up on Netflix. Her exact words:

"I'v heard a lot about the Maquis. One of my instructors at Tactical Training, a Lieutenant Commander in Starfleet, a man I both admired and respected, he was sympathetic to them. He resigned and left to join them."

Wholly possible --- the recordings I have aren't from any DVD rips. I've never brought any Star Trek DVDs or Blurays with Enterprise being the only exception. With the exception of Enterprise, everything in my collection is DVR rips. There most certainly are differences I've noticed over the years.

Timo wrote:

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Don't be tiresome. Lighthammer is entitled to pull evidence out of his ass, and it always trumps evidence actually given in Star Trek.

Timo Saloniemi

Timo, the problem is unless something happened ON SCREEN you always, always, always reject every other source except in cases where you're using real world examples to justify your opinion.

You have to accept there ARE other sources that people respect and just because YOU don't respect them doesn't mean your opinion is the only one that matters.

The term "Canon" is very, very, very, very subjective right out of the box with the precise definition of the word.

If you're gonna be an ass about things and talk down to people like you're the absolute expert, at least follow Guy Gardner's lead. He follows his name sake and can be a real ass, but (I suspect) most people enjoy his presentation of it. Like it or not, its fun to read and I respect him a whole bunch for his presentation =).

Guy Gardener wrote:

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Here's something you may not have considered.

Ro Laren was a member of Chakotay's crew, and she survived Caretaker, and she served on Voyager but she was always off camera during the action.

That's a good explanation, although a real lame explanation. It would however explain in context why we magically saw next to nothing about Ro Laren in any other Star Trek media until Voyager returns >.<

[Timo]

Timo, the problem is unless something happened ON SCREEN you always, always, always reject every other source except in cases where you're using real world examples to justify your opinion.

It would help massively if you mentioned the source you are quoting. Otherwise, it just appears you are misremembering things you saw on screen, or misquoting a book that touched upon the subject but not in the way you describe.

Say, where do we learn that Picard would have been a Conn officer (aboard a ship that actually had separate Helm and Nav officers for the task of steering!) on his sixth service year when taking command of the Stargazer? In a Friedman novel, the reader guesses, if he is familiar with those. So, he goes to the bookshelf or Memory Beta. And what does he find? That the book Valiant actually establishes Picard as the 2nd Officer of the vessel, rather than Conn, at the time of the incident.

See why I feel rather entitled to view your claims with what may look like general disdain, but in fact is just healthy skepticism?

Timo Saloniemi

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I have to say, I always appreciate when Timo weighs in. Dude knows his stuff and always presents his thoughts logically.