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Old January 15 2013, 04:59 PM   #46
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Re: popular culture?

I think Starship Troopers is pretty good with how it uses media/advertising.

Do you want to know more?
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Old January 15 2013, 07:27 PM   #47
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You know, in retrospect, it seems odd that we never saw any reporters on TOS. We had lawyers, con men, even mail-order brides . . . but no irreverent, muckraking reporters?
However judging from TMP, the crew all got that off screen after the five year mission
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Old January 15 2013, 11:04 PM   #48
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Re: popular culture?

I remember reading that one of the early plans for STVI was that Uhura left Starfleet and was the host of some kind of late-night talk radio show, a la Coast to Coast AM, which would imply that the Federation has the subspace equivalent of talk radio, with the audience to match.
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Old January 15 2013, 11:24 PM   #49
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lurok wrote: View Post
I think Starship Troopers is pretty good with how it uses media/advertising.

Do you want to know more?
Haha, that movie's media was funny is so many ways. "A murderer was caught today. Guilty. Execution tonight, 8pm all channels."
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Old January 16 2013, 02:14 AM   #50
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Greg Cox wrote: View Post
we never saw any reporters on TOS
It difficult to imagine a future Human society without some kind of "news" service. Our history had both the town crier, and the village gossip.

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"Possessions" doesn't refer to small, petty personal items but capital: stocks, bonds, real estate, factories, warehouses, natural & human resources, companies, money and the competitive drive to acquire them.
Real estate like a "grape farm?" Private dilithium mines. The Federation "bought" the M5 from the Daystrom Institute, it was potentially a major contract. Flint bought an entire planet. Joseph Sisko didn't simply have people over for dinner, he owned a restaurant.
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Old January 16 2013, 06:10 AM   #51
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And served food for free in the moneyless economy.

Jesus. The Trek future since Roddenberry (for all his faults) has been so retro and boring.
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Old January 16 2013, 06:15 AM   #52
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Nobody mentioned that FANTASTIC videogame they played in the Ashley Judd ep???
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Old January 16 2013, 07:35 PM   #53
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And served food for free in the moneyless economy.
Ahh, but then it wouldn't be a "restaurant." Joseph was likely pulling a comfortable income out of his little commercial establishment.
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Old January 16 2013, 08:27 PM   #54
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It difficult to imagine a future Human society without some kind of "news" service.
Indeed, we know that at least by 2293, there were three different networks in wide use: Federation News Network, Starfleet Broadcasting, and the Earth Broadcasting Service. (in Generations, all three of these networks had a reporter and cameraperson on the bridge of the Enterprise-B.)

Also, by DS9's time, Jake Sisko wanted to work for the Federation News Network.
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Old January 16 2013, 09:26 PM   #55
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T'Girl wrote: View Post
Greg Cox wrote: View Post
we never saw any reporters on TOS
It difficult to imagine a future Human society without some kind of "news" service. Our history had both the town crier, and the village gossip.

TheGoodNews wrote: View Post
"Possessions" doesn't refer to small, petty personal items but capital: stocks, bonds, real estate, factories, warehouses, natural & human resources, companies, money and the competitive drive to acquire them.
Real estate like a "grape farm?" Private dilithium mines. The Federation "bought" the M5 from the Daystrom Institute, it was potentially a major contract. Flint bought an entire planet. Joseph Sisko didn't simply have people over for dinner, he owned a restaurant.
What you don't realise from watching Star Trek is that the whole thing is propped up by slaves - when he refers to humanity, he means natural born humans - he's a racist that doesn't consider the blue-skinned slaves who clean his toilets to be real people. For security reasons, those slaves were never seen on Starships.
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Old January 16 2013, 10:14 PM   #56
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the whole thing is propped up by slaves
I'm sure many of the people living in the American antebellum south thought their society to be a utopia too.
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Old January 17 2013, 12:05 AM   #57
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T'Girl wrote: View Post
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And served food for free in the moneyless economy.
Ahh, but then it wouldn't be a "restaurant." Joseph was likely pulling a comfortable income out of his little commercial establishment.
Why?
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Old January 17 2013, 04:18 AM   #58
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Why?
Restaurant, a place where people pay to eat meals.

Dinner party
, a party of people assembled to have dinner together
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Joseph is repeatedly said to have and operate a "restaurant." If he were simply inviting random strangers over to his house and cooking for them for free, that would not be (by definition) a restaurant.

Joseph Sisko was restaurateur.

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Old January 17 2013, 04:56 AM   #59
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No. A doctor is a man who treats your ailments for money. Yet Bashir never got paid either. How do we know he didn't? Because the Federation operates in a moneyless economy.

Definitions of words evolve with the times.

You already know this.
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Old January 17 2013, 10:21 AM   #60
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Re: popular culture?

I find the idea that Joseph Sisko ran he restaurant entirely for free, for the good feeling it gave him, to be preposterous.

Picard's lines in First Contact that "we work to better ourselves" and that there's no money is barely justifyable when you're flying around in deep space meeting new aliens and saving the day over and over. But when you run a little resteraunt in San Francisco? What about the guy cleaning the carpet in Wrath of Khan, is he an evolved human bettering himself or is he just doing his job? What about the waiters in Ten Forward? What about the others who worked with Rom in DS9's waste extraction department? What about the people who do that nasty job on Earth?
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