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View Poll Results: Is she the same woman?
She might as well be the same woman. 2 11.76%
She is the same woman. 6 35.29%
She is not the same woman. 7 41.18%
It doesn't matter who this woman really is. 2 11.76%
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Old January 7 2013, 01:05 AM   #16
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Re: Did B'Elanna die forever in Faces?

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Also, isn't it a little weird that the Vidian phage was cured in a throwaway line in Think Tank?
KURROS: The mind of mathematician and the soul of an artist. I'm afraid he'd much rather be modelling a fractal sculpture than analysing the data of our latest astronomical scan. And now you have met us all. A small group of minds, but we have helped hundreds of clients. We turned the tide in the war between the Bara Plenum and the Motali Empire. Re-ignited the red giants of the Zai Cluster. Just recently, we found a cure for the Vidiian phage.
JANEWAY: The Vidiians?
KURROS: You would hardly recognise them now. Just last month we helped retrieve a Lyridian child's runaway pet. A subspace mesomorph, I might add. We had to invent a whole new scanning technology just to find it.
JANEWAY: And what did you ask for as compensation?
I always took that line "you would hardly recognize them now" as very sinister.

Maybe they cured the phage, but at what cost and with what consequences?

If cured wasn't an outright euphemism for genocide, they could now be semi sentient goo, or had their brains digitized and now they all live as holograms and robots.

And who says that the Vidians asked for a cure for the plhage and not the dozens of worlds that had been being pillaged by their organ-harvesting privateers? If so, then certainly the success criteria for te assignment didn't have to favour well for the Vidiians perception of a fine quality of life after the fact.
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Old January 7 2013, 11:40 AM   #17
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If you cure the Vidiians you're only curing the establishment ones. You would still be dealing with the body modification cult that many Vidiians would have embraced as their identity. VOY didn't show us those ones, they are poor and an alternative subculture so look even more hideous than the ones we saw.
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Old January 7 2013, 12:04 PM   #18
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Omg!!! ''Faces'' one hell of an amazing episode in season 1.
Physically she is the same.
Psychologically seeing your other half split from you is traumatizing but she seems to have greatly evolved and has a new understanding about herself.
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Old January 7 2013, 12:06 PM   #19
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I was not too impressed with it.

But I was jaded by many previous transporter accidents.
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Old January 7 2013, 01:04 PM   #20
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But this wasn't an accident.

A mad scientist cut her in half, then wore her good friends face as a hat so that the sexy half of her would fuck him.
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Old January 7 2013, 01:07 PM   #21
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By accident I mean.. not starfleet regulation event.

I can't remember. Which was the sexy half, the one with the teeth or the conscience?
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Old January 7 2013, 01:08 PM   #22
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I thought that the human B'Elanna was still B'Ellanna without her Klingon DNA... But this episode is confusing because how could the Vidiian scientist create a fully Klingon B'Elanna when there's only enough DNA for one person?
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Old January 7 2013, 01:10 PM   #23
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Oh dear Ln X.. all you need is the idea of DNA to create multiple peoples.
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Old January 7 2013, 01:26 PM   #24
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DNA is a blueprint, not bricks and mortar.

If he had to add... Oh my.

I said stem sells earlier.

But I didn't really think about what I was saying.

He didn't have access to additional human or Klingon infants... Unless he copied the pattern and folded it over? But before he split them, he would have cloned dozens of baby B'Elanna's and harvested them for stem cells and other junk matter to bolster the two half patterns. Fuck it, all they needed was to increase the gain. The problem with transporters is that they move all your energy through space and put it back together into "you" on the other side. If it's the same pieces then it still has to be you. First off just because the Doctor put her back together with a transporter it doesn't mean that the Vidiiian took her apart with a transporter, with all it's safety features to make sure that you don't gain alien mass or lose your shin bones in transit. I'm assuming the nature of this unseen device is that once it had a pattern, it did not give a shit where the energy to remake the body was from, which is they had enough mass to make two bodies.

Teacake, do you like your women to A. Hide some where dark and cry about how pathetic they are, or B. To crow and yelp about how fantastic and perfect they are in bed?

Which one was the sexy one?

The Klingon Half was just using the mad scientist's' penis against him.

It's doubtful she would have had sex with him, B'Elanna just wanted him to untie her, but he didn't have to untie her to have sex with the klingon girl, but she could easily still have killed him if even her arms and legs were bound, which they were.

Her argument was that Klingon women are so constantly horney that she doesn't care what he's done to her as long as he takes him pants off.

Hmm.

Unseen device?

Maybe that anomaly from Deadlock is more common than we first assumed? Maybe it's a landmine type weapon used by the Vidiians to fuck up their prey, and double their take.
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Old January 7 2013, 03:25 PM   #25
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Oh dear Ln X.. all you need is the idea of DNA to create multiple peoples.
But B'Elanna is only half and half of different species, my point is she doesn't have the entire genome of both species because half of her DNA comes from her father (and his sperm contains half of his DNA which is randomly selected), likewise half of her DNA comes from her mother (whose egg cells contain half of her DNA which is again randomly selected).
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Old January 7 2013, 10:18 PM   #26
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Yeah.. I was just doing the blah blah it's sci fi thing. Which doesn't really add anything so, carry on.
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Old January 7 2013, 10:20 PM   #27
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You might be mixing up dna, genes and chromosomes.
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Old January 7 2013, 10:25 PM   #28
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Into a pleasant soup?
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Old January 7 2013, 10:49 PM   #29
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At the end, did they extract what they needed from the klingon corpse and beam it into B'Elanna or did they beam the entire Corpse into her? I only ask because the Doctor keeps old corpses, and despite her abundant human traditionalism, Klingon tradition is that she doesn't give a shit about the corpse.

B'Elanna's corpse could have been in the draw between Caretaker's Corpse draw and Kes's corpse draw all along!

(How many bodies did he keep? Naomi certainly. Who else? They would have had to go fishing for Harry. Did he frost over or explode?)

Although if he had B'Elanna's mostly Klingon corpse in a draw, why did the Doctor feel the need to extract a chunk of B'Elanna's brain to feed his girlfriend? It couldn't be that fresh Klingon meat is "slightly" better than stale Klingon corpse meat? Surely the inconvenience of digging into a living person has to outweigh "slightly better"?
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Old January 7 2013, 10:54 PM   #30
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JANEWAY: The Vidiians?
KURROS: You would hardly recognise them now.
Be nice if there was at least one frakkin' happy ending in Trek.
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