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Old January 6 2013, 11:12 PM   #31
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Re: I finally saw Grenn Lantern, not as bad as I expected.

According to Johns, Paralax is the Avatar of fear, whose power they trapped in the central power battery for billions of years who looks like a giant yellow glowing stick insect.

Blue plus yellow equal green.

It's why Green lanterns need to over come great fear, or have no fear because the yellow impurity mentioned for decades or Parallax mentioned for a decade has the potential to take root and corrupt a Green Lantern turning him or her into someone not very nice.

What the cloud did, wasn't too far removed from John's vision.

What it looked like was lazy.

How they beat it was lazier.

The only training Hal got was Kilowog beating him up and Sinestro telling don't go to close to suns, because they're really dangerous. Have you Earthmen discovered Gravity yet? Too much gravity is really bad. Too much gravity can kill almost anything which most certainly includes you Hal Jordan, so don't go near them or you'll go "sploof!".

Rather than chasing Jordan, Paralax should have gone back to earth, found somewhere comfortable and streamed Back to the Future II and III from netflix where he would have learnt that he doesn't have to chase and thump every asshole who calls him a chicken.

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Old January 7 2013, 05:34 PM   #32
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Lots of problems with the Green Lantern movie, but the main one is quite simple.
Yep: as with The Phantom Menace, it begins in an era of galactic peace. Who the heck wants to see that? Start in the middle of an Imperial/evil Lantern age instead, why dontcha. We get enough stories of authorities/superheroes fighting minor crime/evil upstarts in police, spy, and cape flicks. If you're gonna go cosmic, might as well mix things up.
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Old January 7 2013, 05:42 PM   #33
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^But how does that work within the context of the GL premise, where the Corps has been keeping galactic peace for millennia? Maybe the way to go would be to show that corruption has spread through the Corps, led by Sinestro. The story could be about the upstart Hal discovering that corruption in the system and struggling to expose and prove it.
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Old January 7 2013, 07:13 PM   #34
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"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times... before the Empire."
All you have to do is introduce a big bad from beyond known space (as Qui-Gon said, "there's always a bigger fish"), and mention how it/they overturned the Lanterns' order.

In other words: sucks to the GL premise-marr!
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Old January 7 2013, 07:21 PM   #35
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And then tons of GL fans would be screaming because the film departed too much from the comics. "A Green Lantern movie where the Corps has been wiped out? Blasphemy! Burn the witches!"
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Old January 7 2013, 07:44 PM   #36
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Your last sentence says it all.. there is no excuse to make mediocre superhero movies because others have proven that you can make great ones.


No.

What do you think making movies is, stamping out widgets?
Sure it is, look at the folks who write for Star Trek...
They've had successful movies and unsuccessful ones, and some better made than others.
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Old January 7 2013, 07:50 PM   #37
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@ Christopher: I think that could easily have worked to the studio's advantage. It's great that so many movies are being so faithful to their source material these days, but the "we're making this movie to honor a venerable pop culture legacy" line is getting a bit stale. Saying "yeah, we're honoring and acknowledging the GL canon, but also making changes in order to craft the best possible film, and any purist who doesn't like it can make as inoffensive and safe a fan film as he likes" could have been a great way to build free publicity and gain the sympathies of the silent majority of the movie's intended audience who don't know John Stewart from the Daily Show.

This is Green Lantern, after all, the franchise The Onion tagged as "the comic-book hero everyone definitely knew about before the film was made." Not every fan base is large enough to carry a top-tier budget flick, and not every franchise deserves one.

("I've been a huge Green Lantern fan ever since I learned I'd be playing him in the movie," Ryan Reynolds gushed.)
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Old January 7 2013, 08:29 PM   #38
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I'm the first to agree there's nothing wrong with making changes in an adaptation, and I hold kneejerk purism in contempt. But some changes are more appropriate than others. What you want to get right is the core essence and flavor of the property, even if you change the details of the execution. What you don't want is to turn it into something entirely different that only has a few surface trappings in common. And that's what I think your suggestion would do. You're just latching onto some arbitrary formula that you think has been effective in other works and wanting to see GL transformed into a copy of it. That's the same kind of formulaic, cookie-cutter thinking that leads so many studio executives to make so many bad adaptations of classic properties that fail because they turned them into carbon copies of whatever recent movie trends were popular, rather than doing updated or improved takes on their own core essence.
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Old January 7 2013, 08:38 PM   #39
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I think if the movie had a better villain and did not have Paralax it would have been bet
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Old January 7 2013, 09:36 PM   #40
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@ Christopher: Well, I'm not exactly suggesting a story that espouses the virtues of ballroom dance instruction as a means of lifting disadvantaged species out of planetary poverty and dazzling the crowds of the next Green Dancers Corps Meet. Or even, for that matter, that College Humor GL pitch, which sounds a lot better than the actual movie to moi.

One could write an entirely thematically faithful Power Rang - sorry, Green Lantern story about teamwork, heroism, male-on-male ring exchanges and kicking butt in the name of law and order without setting it in an era of galactic peace.

Of course, if I'd been the Decider over at the WB, I wouldn't have funded a traditional Powe - Green Lantern story at all. But, here I am, contributing ideas anyhow. I'm trying to work with with y'all here!
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Old January 7 2013, 09:47 PM   #41
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I just don't see where there's a fundamental problem with telling stories in eras of peace. Star Trek has done pretty well in that regard for close to half a century now. It's a nonsensical generalization to say that a given setting or situation for storytelling can never work.

And I have no idea where you're coming from with the GL/Power Ranger comparisons.
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Old January 7 2013, 10:05 PM   #42
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I remember almost nothing about power rangers.

But is there a team of power rangers on every planet in the galaxy?

I thought that who we knew to be Power Rangers were just the elite children's crusade for some disembodied space god or hand me downs from some suicide mission gone bad?

Although it might have evolved in the last 20 years since I last watched an episode.

How special do those earth kids feel when they find out that all their shite is mass produced in a factory?

"Thank you for getting me a new helmet... But why is there blood all over it?"

"Sorry, someone was supposed to clean that, but I'm recycling now. there's a lot of useable hardware left on a powerranger after he gets frakked in the line of duty, that it's almost criminal to leave on the battlefield to rust or let the slum dogs loot."
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Old January 8 2013, 02:37 AM   #43
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I just don't see where there's a fundamental problem with telling stories in eras of peace. Star Trek has done pretty well in that regard for close to half a century now. It's a nonsensical generalization to say that a given setting or situation for storytelling can never work.
But I didn't say that - I only said that I wouldn't have invested in a traditional GL take. As for comparing franchises, that takes us deep into the murky depths of subjectivity.

Anyhow, I've had my $.02; I'm good. (And my movie would've sold better and to a bigger audience. )
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Old January 8 2013, 02:54 AM   #44
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(And my movie would've sold better and to a bigger audience. )
You don't know that. All you can honestly say is that you personally would've liked it better. If it were possible to predict what would sell better, then nothing would ever fail, because everyone would know how to succeed. The people who made the movie undoubtedly believed that what they were doing would sell better than the alternatives, but they were wrong.
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Old January 8 2013, 06:21 AM   #45
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They held back.

Like pussies.

They had a story and then cut it into a trilogy.

They didn't earn a trilogy.

So we got a third of the story they wanted to tell.

They just expected three movies because Batman got 3.

(Failing to recall that a Superman Movie ever failed.)

They had Sinestro all prepared to be the big bad in the second movie.

When did they realize that there wasn't going to be a second movie?

Not the opening weekend, when did they really begin to suspect faliure?

Was there time to go "all in" at the 11th hour?

That all this energy they were putting into laying the ground work for a second movie could have been room/space used to actually have Sinestro go evil and run amok with the yellow ring in the first movie and show us a good time.

Showing us where they're going is prelude sometimes as much as limiting the story telling they can tell in the here and now because there are significant doors that are closed till they start production on movie two.

I wonder if Blake and Ryan accidentally lost control of their Star Sapphire Green lantern sex tape if that would help at even this late date?
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