Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? - Page 20

Balrog · January 2 2013, 01:06 AM

"A stack of book with legs."

Hey, wasn't it in the very same episode a tombstone that read, "James R. Kirk"?

BillJ · January 2 2013, 01:10 AM

Kevin W. wrote:

A Very Jewel Christmas wrote:

Is there any other franchise that has to hire historians for their own fictional universe? I know Doctor Who relies on what the writer likes and ignores what they don't like. Dropping that weight is the best thing that ever happened to Trek and frees it to go places we can't even imagine.

They could have rebooted the franchise without falling into the LCD pit Abrams has dropped it into.

I don't even know what this means?

Parts of the movie worked, parts of it didn't. Sounds like much of Trek to me.

Awesome Possum · January 2 2013, 01:10 AM

Kevin W. wrote:

A Very Jewel Christmas wrote:

Is there any other franchise that has to hire historians for their own fictional universe? I know Doctor Who relies on what the writer likes and ignores what they don't like. Dropping that weight is the best thing that ever happened to Trek and frees it to go places we can't even imagine.

They could have rebooted the franchise without falling into the LCD pit Abrams has dropped it into.

What did you want them use a CRT monitor? I want the Enterprise to look like the future from now, but the future from the 1960s which we currently have better stuff than.

Although if you means lens flare, who cares? It's an absurd detail to get upset about. It's a minor stylist choice that does not add or subtract from the enjoyment of the story. Anyone who complains about that is missing the forest for the shiny trees.

Greg Cox · January 2 2013, 01:16 AM

Kevin W. wrote:

And yet a movie that stripped away everything that was good about Star Trek in favor of blatant blockbuster mass appeal designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator was not the answer.

That film was not Star Trek. It was a generic blockbuster with the Star Trek name slapped on it, and it was an abomination.

Well, without rehashing the same old debate for the umpteenth time, let it just be noted that many of us hardcore Trekkies don't feel that away.

Speaking as somebody who has been watching the show since it first aired on NBC, I thought the new movie very much captured the zest and spirit of the original classic series. It felt like TOS to me . . . and is definitely one of the better TREK movies.

You think it's an abomination. I think it's the best thing to happen to STAR TREK in years. But, hey, we're all Trekkies here, even if some of us prefer some iterations over others.

Kevin W. · January 2 2013, 01:17 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

Well, without rehashing the same old debate for the umpteenth time, let it just be noted that many of us hardcore Trekkies don't feel that away.

Absolutely. I've never claimed that my opinions are anything more than my own.

I have a problem with JJ Abrams' work that extends beyond Star Trek, though. I don't care for anything he does and I don't believe he deserves the critical acclaim he's gotten.

Awesome Possum · January 2 2013, 01:19 AM

My dad grew up watching TOS and I grew up watching TNG, the movies and the reruns. I adored the movie and saw it in theaters a second time with my dad. He loved it too. But I guess we aren't real Trekkies because we don't know the name of Spock's pet or the exact stardate McCoy stubbed his toe on the bridge.

Greg Cox · January 2 2013, 01:20 AM

A Very Jewel Christmas wrote:

Kevin W. wrote:

A Very Jewel Christmas wrote:

Is there any other franchise that has to hire historians for their own fictional universe? I know Doctor Who relies on what the writer likes and ignores what they don't like. Dropping that weight is the best thing that ever happened to Trek and frees it to go places we can't even imagine.

They could have rebooted the franchise without falling into the LCD pit Abrams has dropped it into.

What did you want them use a CRT monitor? .

I think LCD, in this context, refers to Lowest Common Denominator.

Not that I agree, of course.

BillJ · January 2 2013, 01:22 AM

Kevin W. wrote:

I have a problem with JJ Abrams' work that extends beyond Star Trek, though. I don't care for anything he does and I don't believe he deserves the critical acclaim he's gotten.

You do realize they're are more people involved in the reboot than just Abrams?

Awesome Possum · January 2 2013, 01:27 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

A Very Jewel Christmas wrote:

Kevin W. wrote:

They could have rebooted the franchise without falling into the LCD pit Abrams has dropped it into.

What did you want them use a CRT monitor? .

I think LCD, in this context, refers to Lowest Common Denominator.

Not that I agree, of course.

I truly wonder what he means by it though. TOS had sex (well it was hinted at), battles and phasers. It just looks like it got new coat of paint. There's nothing in the new movie that TOS didn't have other than Vulcan being destroyed and a level of conflict between characters.

Awesome Possum · January 2 2013, 01:29 AM

BillJ wrote:

Kevin W. wrote:

I have a problem with JJ Abrams' work that extends beyond Star Trek, though. I don't care for anything he does and I don't believe he deserves the critical acclaim he's gotten.

You do realize they're are more people involved in the reboot than just Abrams?

We can't bring in facts and logic into an absurd personal bias against someone he never met.

Kevin W. · January 2 2013, 01:31 AM

From my perspective, as I mentioned, it just seemed like a generic summer blockbuster that had a Star Trek veneer applied to it. It didn't have the kinds of things I expect from Trek. It wasn't a smart film. It was just lots of violence and action. I know there is plenty of violence and action in all of Trek but to me, Abrams' film seemed like it was nothing but.

Once again, that's just how I see it. I'm hardly an old curmudgeon who saw TOS firsthand. I was just over 11 years old when Voyager ended so really. The film just doesn't seem right to me.

Awesome Possum · January 2 2013, 01:38 AM

Kevin W. wrote:

From my perspective, as I mentioned, it just seemed like a generic summer blockbuster that had a Star Trek veneer applied to it. It didn't have the kinds of things I expect from Trek. It wasn't a smart film. It was just lots of violence and action. I know there is plenty of violence and action in all of Trek but to me, Abrams' film seemed like it was nothing but.

Once again, that's just how I see it. I'm hardly an old curmudgeon who saw TOS firsthand. I was just over 11 years old when Voyager ended so really. The film just doesn't seem right to me.

Did you fall asleep when they explored the dual nature of Spock's human and vulcan sides as well as Kirk going through the hero's journey?

DalekJim · January 2 2013, 01:38 AM

A Very Jewel Christmas wrote:

Is there any other franchise that has to hire historians for their own fictional universe? I know Doctor Who relies on what the writer likes and ignores what they don't like. Dropping that weight is the best thing that ever happened to Trek and frees it to go places we can't even imagine.

I don't understand this attitude. Couldn't they just... write a story for the movie that didn't require knowledge of continuity? Just have a new ship and crew explore the universe and find a new adventure on a new planet.

The way to avoid getting swamped in continuity is to not write a movie that's premise hinges entirely on rewriting continuity.

BillJ · January 2 2013, 01:42 AM

DalekJim wrote:

The way to avoid getting swamped in continuity is to not write a movie that's premise hinges entirely on rewriting continuity.

I know this doesn't mean anything, but they didn't rewrite continuity.

Greg Cox · January 2 2013, 01:45 AM

Kevin W. wrote:

Once again, that's just how I see it. I'm hardly an old curmudgeon who saw TOS firsthand. I was just over 11 years old when Voyager ended so really. The film just doesn't seem right to me.

Whereas I'm an old coot who grew up watching Kirk fight a giant lizard-man on TOS, and loved the fact that the new movie wasn't afraid to get back in touch with the pulpy space-opera side of STAR TREK. I nearly cheered when that space monster lunged out of the ice; when was the last time TREK indulged in some gratuitous space-monster action just for the sheer fun of it?

To my mind, Trek was in danger of forgetting that it was supposed to be fun as well as idealistic and high-minded. As another reviewer put it, the new movie gave TREK a much-needed dose of Viagra!

January 2 2013, 01:06 AM	#286
Balrog Commodore Location: Moria	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? "A stack of book with legs." Hey, wasn't it in the very same episode a tombstone that read, "James R. Kirk"? __________________ Anybody got a breath mint?

January 2 2013, 01:19 AM	#291
Awesome Possum Herald of the Ponies Location: Jewel HQ	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? My dad grew up watching TOS and I grew up watching TNG, the movies and the reruns. I adored the movie and saw it in theaters a second time with my dad. He loved it too. But I guess we aren't real Trekkies because we don't know the name of Spock's pet or the exact stardate McCoy stubbed his toe on the bridge. __________________ I am at heart a propagandist, a tremendous hater, a tiresome nag, complacently positive that there is no human problem which could not be solved if people would simply do as I advise. -Gore Vidal

January 2 2013, 01:31 AM	#296
Kevin W. Commander Location: California	Re: Do you think Star Trek needed a reboot? From my perspective, as I mentioned, it just seemed like a generic summer blockbuster that had a Star Trek veneer applied to it. It didn't have the kinds of things I expect from Trek. It wasn't a smart film. It was just lots of violence and action. I know there is plenty of violence and action in all of Trek but to me, Abrams' film seemed like it was nothing but. Once again, that's just how I see it. I'm hardly an old curmudgeon who saw TOS firsthand. I was just over 11 years old when Voyager ended so really. The film just doesn't seem right to me. __________________ Ari Gold: "We're gonna get drunk with Russell Crowe and we're gonna head-butt some goddamn kangaroos."

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