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Old January 3 2013, 06:03 AM   #46
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Re: Favorite blatant contradictions

I just found they're off the hook for Mezzati's home planet. She did not go back to her home planet (Which Janeway said she'd been to), she went home with the twins.
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Old January 3 2013, 06:14 AM   #47
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Re: Favorite blatant contradictions

You remember back in the 1978 Superman movie when that 3 year old Kal El lifts the Kent family Model T Ford above his head?

It would have been fantastic seeing those kids prove that they are 4 or 5 times stronger than Harry Kim because they all have hydrolic duranium endoskellitons.
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Old January 7 2013, 09:24 PM   #48
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I think my absolute favorite was Harry Kim never getting promoted (even though everyone around him was) but somehow retaining a critical position on the bridge and the command staff. If he's not worthy of promotion, then bring in someone who is.
How is that a contradication??
It's a critical position, which means it should be filled by someone who's trusted and highly capable. You can put a bright, promising ensign there, no problem. If he does well, you keep him there and give him a promotion. If he doesn't do well, you shuffle him to a different department where his skills can be utilized better.

But if such an officer is never promoted from ensign after seven years, it's because he's either not trusted or has proven himself incapable. In neither case would you simply leave him in that critical job.
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Old January 8 2013, 03:58 PM   #49
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true but Janeway herself said she didnt want to promote him due to their situtation, and she handpicked him for ops


silly perhaps but not really a contradiction given who his Captain is...
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Old January 8 2013, 04:38 PM   #50
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Re: Favorite blatant contradictions

It was mentioned earlier about "Threshold" and the lizard-syndrome that Paris and Janeway developed for travelling at warp 10. By the end of the episode the Doctor had cured them and they never showed any negative effects of the transformation afterwards (you have to love Voyager's reset button almost as much as the shuttlecraft genie).

Why didn't they just go ahead and jump to warp 10 for a second in order to get back to Earth. Once there, the Doctor could then cure all the human crew (there is nothing to saw the aliens onboard would be affected in the same way) by the same method no bother.
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Old January 8 2013, 05:20 PM   #51
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true but Janeway herself said she didnt want to promote him due to their situtation, and she handpicked him for ops


silly perhaps but not really a contradiction given who his Captain is...
Okay, you're right. The contradiction isn't Harry, the contradiction is JANEWAY.
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Old January 8 2013, 10:11 PM   #52
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It was mentioned earlier about "Threshold" and the lizard-syndrome that Paris and Janeway developed for travelling at warp 10. By the end of the episode the Doctor had cured them and they never showed any negative effects of the transformation afterwards (you have to love Voyager's reset button almost as much as the shuttlecraft genie).

Why didn't they just go ahead and jump to warp 10 for a second in order to get back to Earth. Once there, the Doctor could then cure all the human crew (there is nothing to saw the aliens onboard would be affected in the same way) by the same method no bother.

"Shuttle Genie"

That's hilarious.

The shuttle didn't have a steering wheel. They had no idea how to navigate in a strait line at warp ten, god forbid plot a course to earth.

The technology was in it's it's infancy.
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Old January 8 2013, 10:20 PM   #53
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true but Janeway herself said she didnt want to promote him due to their situtation, and she handpicked him for ops


silly perhaps but not really a contradiction given who his Captain is...
Is she implying that if she promoted him, he'd HAVE to change positions? That's just silly.
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Old January 8 2013, 10:22 PM   #54
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^No. She'd have to promote everybody else. At least, that's probably Janeway's reasoning
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Old January 8 2013, 10:37 PM   #55
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I've read this thread twice now and still makes no sense
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Old January 8 2013, 11:33 PM   #56
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^No. She'd have to promote everybody else. At least, that's probably Janeway's reasoning
Almost thirty people died (or left) (I counted once.).

Janeway decided to consolidate rank and staff positions rather than promote because then ther'd be no grunts at the bottom.

Kim completely has to move out of Ops.

If he wants more responsibility in proportion to an increase in rank, he has to do more. He can't do more if he's doing the same thing. And if he is moonlights to find that extra responsibility, then he's half assing the Ops job... And it's a consideration for everyone elses safety that they promote a petty chief or an able crewman to the Ops Job if Kim thinks his talents are more suited elsewhere.

But as I said a long time ago. The rank is about the size of the department and the amount of crew he has to command to keep Ops running 24/7 and their rank. Anyone can sit in the chair and do that job for a dutyshift. They're all supergeniuses. Kim's really hard job is to tell the 10 enlisted crewmen in his department what to do and when to do it and let them know what they are doing and when they are doing that for the next ten weeks and if/when that's all going to change due to the unexpected and if they are worthy of promotion, stagnation or demotion... When Section heads have a poker night they play for crew to get rid of their lemons.
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Old January 9 2013, 02:42 PM   #57
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Scorpion - Kes reliably informs us that Species 8472 is a violent race of pure evil and Janeway uses this information to justify helping the Borg to murder as many of them as they like

In the Flesh - turns out....Species 8472 are fluffy, cuddly space bunnies with hearts of gold......making Kes look like and idiot and Janeway an accomplice to attempted genocide

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Old January 9 2013, 11:15 PM   #58
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Not a contradiction.

That happened organically.

Janeway could have apologised however.
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Old January 10 2013, 06:02 PM   #59
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Not a contradiction.

That happened organically.

Janeway could have apologised however.
Their established character traits are entirely undermined and presented as being essentially the absolute opposite of reality - doing that over the period of one episode does not adequately qualify as being an organic development to me

and if Janeway had apologised......now that really would have been a contradiction of established character traits
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Old January 10 2013, 06:08 PM   #60
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Janeway tried to tractor 8472's ship, beam it away, then had her people board it all during their first encounter as if she was entitled to do all this... then she wonders why the pilot reacted in a hostile way?
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