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Old December 30 2012, 03:26 AM   #46
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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but it would have been grand if it was sexual, and the TPTB were so ignorant about the potential that they left the "possibility" wide open.
So you're saying the the morally sound Trek would condone adultery?
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Old December 30 2012, 03:28 AM   #47
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Heh, it's true they never address the fact that that Naomi came from another Voyager. But I think if that did bother Sam it would have been right after she was born. Technically she is her daughter, the same girl she carried in her womb up until the point of the split, a few hours before she was born. Same genetic material, that is her daughter. Once the emotional bonding occurred I don't think a mother would care anymore.

We shouldn't read too much into Neelix hanging around the Wildmans. He's the logical choice for a crew member to interact with any children, he's the right balance of outgoing and empathetic.
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Old December 30 2012, 03:58 AM   #48
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

Neelix wants to be seen as not just useful, but wonderful. Naomi is going to think that long after everyone else gets irritated and sees him as an overly needy barrel chested labrador. It's easy to be wonderful to kids.
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Old December 30 2012, 04:13 AM   #49
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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Heh, it's true they never address the fact that that Naomi came from another Voyager. But I think if that did bother Sam it would have been right after she was born. Technically she is her daughter, the same girl she carried in her womb up until the point of the split, a few hours before she was born. Same genetic material, that is her daughter. Once the emotional bonding occurred I don't think a mother would care anymore.

We shouldn't read too much into Neelix hanging around the Wildmans. He's the logical choice for a crew member to interact with any children, he's the right balance of outgoing and empathetic.
Agreed on both parts.
Plus Naomi is the only physical representation of her husband Sam has.
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Old December 30 2012, 05:07 AM   #50
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

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but it would have been grand if it was sexual, and the TPTB were so ignorant about the potential that they left the "possibility" wide open.
So you're saying the the morally sound Trek would condone adultery?
I just watched an episode of DS9 were Kira and O'Brien came to within millimetres of ravaging each other despite Kieko teetering around saying what good friends they are.

Did Odo get divorced from Lwaxana before he started "dating" Kira? And after he linked, wouldn't she have been married to the entire Great Link?
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Old December 30 2012, 05:21 AM   #51
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I just watched an episode of DS9 were Kira and O'Brien came to within millimetres of ravaging each other despite Kieko teetering around saying what good friends they are.
Is a "Well we could have" still adultery?

Did Odo get divorced from Lwaxana before he started "dating" Kira? And after he linked, wouldn't she have been married to the entire Great Link?
I thought it was annulled?
I think the Changlings would call marriage a concept only for solids. Isn't marriage something that has to be accepted in the eyes of God and/or the State?
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Old December 30 2012, 06:39 AM   #52
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

That's called coveting.

It's one of the 10 commandments.

They had to wait several months before they could annul the wedding for the sake of beleivability.

It's just a question of if they got around to it despite that there was a war going on.

Several wars.

If you squint, Kirk and Spock were engaged to the same bird in Amok Time. So they wer each committing adultery on each other equally.

How married did Kirk get to Miramanee? Or did she die in the end the paradise Syndrome?

Didn't Kirk make out with Kang's wife Mara in Day of the Dove, and he certianly kissed his way betwixt those married Kelvans who didn't know about that Earth custom called Kissing in By Any Other Name.
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Old December 30 2012, 07:30 AM   #53
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Miramanee died and so did the baby

If I had gotten married while under alien influence, technological or otherwise I would not consider myself married when I came to. I doubt Sarah Sisko considered herself married to Ben Sisko once she was released from the Prophet's possession of her even if she had a marriage certificate.

I also wouldn't consider myself married if some babe danced with me and then I found out later this meant I was married in their culture which happened to O'Neill in Stargate. And pretend happened to Mal in Firefly. I'm okay about these hokey storylines which seem all about the big gag reveal "He's Married!" until they take it seriously and act like it's an actual legal and/or moral issue.
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Old December 30 2012, 07:33 AM   #54
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Once you remember that Londo and G'Kar accidentally got married in episode 5 of babylon 5, their relationship really begins to make sense.
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Old December 30 2012, 07:41 AM   #55
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Re: Should Neelix/Kes have stayed together?

The ending of that episode was the second worst Babylon 5 moment.

But yes the bickering and inability to break out of each other's orbit
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Old December 30 2012, 08:20 AM   #56
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With all the different representatives of earths religions?

I loved that at the time.

But right now, the logistics of getting all those people together on a space station without notice is only slightly less believable than how the school band pounces from the shadows like Batman with sheet music no matter what the show quire on Glee has planned.

Have you seen Outland?

It's an Australian sitcom from last year about the trials of a gay sciencefiction club.
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Old December 30 2012, 08:31 AM   #57
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I had an allergic reaction to that ending the first time I saw it because I thought we were in for some Trek preachiness. Thankfully all other religious commentary in the series was about non-earth religions.

Outland.. I forgot about that. Saw the creators at a con a while back and they showed us a lot of bits of it. One of the guys came across as a complete dickwad and I never followed it up. But it seemed full of potential?
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Old December 30 2012, 09:03 AM   #58
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Well I'm too easy, but my ass fell off from all the laughing.

Season four.

"And the rock cried out No place to Hide!"

Watching Lord Refa getting pummelled to the tune/beat of Gospel music was amazing.

And in the Final movie, Lochley matched wits with with Satan.

I really must watch those again, but they were so bad.
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Old December 30 2012, 09:06 AM   #59
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Oh yeah that WAS awesome, the gospel scene. Which was the final movie, I'm pretty sure I've seen all of them but they blur.

Watching the original Outland short film on youtube now, but the eps aren't up.
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