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Old December 28 2012, 06:04 AM   #76
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Plus it's mostly based on and around Earth and the threat is one that is aimed at Earth. Didn't they know what Star Trek is about????? ( back on topic )
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Old December 28 2012, 06:26 AM   #77
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Plus it's mostly based on and around Earth and the threat is one that is aimed at Earth. Didn't they know what Star Trek is about????? ( back on topic )
True dat.

I think we have to remember that Star Trek at it's most basic is the human adventure in space. Earth is still apart of that, it's our home for God's sake.
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Old December 28 2012, 06:34 AM   #78
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Yep, most TOS episodes were about people. Being in space or on some alien world was just "window dressing". Some of the plots would have been right at home on Bonanza.
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Old December 28 2012, 06:56 AM   #79
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Which I think was the best western (pun slightly intended) out there.

The unique thing about this movie is that Earth has been attacked, so this is no longer just a threat but an actual aftermath of an attack.

Although I think that the attack on Earth is the final confrontation.
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Old December 28 2012, 06:58 AM   #80
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Which I think was the best western (pun slightly intended) out there.

The unique thing about this movie is that Earth has been attacked, so this is no longer just a threat but an actual aftermath of an attack.

Although I think that the attack on Earth is the final confrontation.
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Old December 28 2012, 08:04 AM   #81
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...not even that many human beings who were directly identified as having been born anywhere other than Earth.
One of my favorite lines in "Is There in Truth No Beauty?": Miranda tells Kirk (in the rose garden, I think) "I've never been to Earth." I like Diana Muldaur's way with this line.

The Making of Star Trek (1968) includes memos that discuss why the series would never return to Earth of the present. Good reasons, as I recall. One of the selling points of TMP was that fans would finally get to see Earth, or at least Star Fleet headquarters. But that movie made it easier for later movies (in 1986, 1996, 2002, and 2009) to return to the Earth-under-threat scenario. Five such movies are already too many.
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Old December 28 2012, 01:29 PM   #82
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Is this even an Earth under threat scenario? Or are we so used to this plot device that we just assume so?
In previous movies the whole planet was indeed under threat: V'ger, the whale probe, the Borg, Shinzon and Nero all threatened to wipe out all life on the planet (kind-of, in the Borg's case). But there is nothing in the information we have to assume the threat this time is the same.
Just because there are attacks taking place on Earth, doesn't mean Earth is under attack. From the information we do have it seems that Harrison's is targeting Starfleet, which just happen to on earth, but not targeting the plant as a whole.
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Old December 28 2012, 01:38 PM   #83
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Is this even an Earth under threat scenario? Or are we so used to this plot device that we just assume so?
In previous movies the whole planet was indeed under threat: V'ger, the whale probe, the Borg, Shinzon and Nero all threatened to wipe out all life on the planet (kind-of, in the Borg's case). But there is nothing in the information we have to assume the threat this time is the same.
Just because there are attacks taking place on Earth, doesn't mean Earth is under attack. From the information we do have it seems that Harrison's is targeting Starfleet, which just happen to on earth, but not targeting the plant as a whole.
That's pretty much my understanding too.
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Old December 28 2012, 01:38 PM   #84
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Just because there are attacks taking place on Earth, doesn't mean Earth is under attack. From the information we do have it seems that Harrison's is targeting Starfleet, which just happen to on earth, but not targeting the plant as a whole.
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Old December 28 2012, 01:39 PM   #85
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Just because there are attacks taking place on Earth, doesn't mean Earth is under attack. From the information we do have it seems that Harrison's is targeting Starfleet, which just happen to on earth, but not targeting the plant as a whole.
"You think your world is safe? It is an illusion. A comforting lie told to protect you."

Our family, our friends, our jobs, they are our world. Kirk's crew, the Enterprise and Starfleet are his world.
He's not necessarily talking about planet Earth as a whole.
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Old December 28 2012, 03:47 PM   #86
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TMP was hindered by it's story, which was a re-write of a Phase II episode, so they filled it with CGI-heavy filler.
It was 1979. CGI hadn't been invented yet. Just sayin'.

Now, back on topic ...

I don't see what the problem is. Earth is where Starfleet lives. If you threaten Earth, you threaten Starfleet. And vice-versa.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:31 PM   #87
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I don't see what the problem is. Earth is where Starfleet lives. If you threaten Earth, you threaten Starfleet. And vice-versa.
What about the United Federation of Planets? The organization that Starfleet is a part of that represents multiple races working together? I'd kill to see a Star Trek movie that would involve all the races of the Federation facing a challenge that could change everything, not just the well being of Earth.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:47 PM   #88
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I don't see what the problem is. Earth is where Starfleet lives. If you threaten Earth, you threaten Starfleet. And vice-versa.
What about the United Federation of Planets? The organization that Starfleet is a part of that represents multiple races working together? I'd kill to see a Star Trek movie that would involve all the races of the Federation facing a challenge that could change everything, not just the well being of Earth.
You do know Earth is where the Federation council and Starfleet are headquartered at right? So attacking earth kind of does affect the federation since its the federations freaking capital.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:51 PM   #89
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Although I think that the attack on Earth is the final confrontation.
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I think the Earth stuff happens in the first half of the movie, and it all ends on Qo'nos, since ...
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Old December 28 2012, 04:51 PM   #90
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I don't see what the problem is. Earth is where Starfleet lives. If you threaten Earth, you threaten Starfleet. And vice-versa.
What about the United Federation of Planets? The organization that Starfleet is a part of that represents multiple races working together? I'd kill to see a Star Trek movie that would involve all the races of the Federation facing a challenge that could change everything, not just the well being of Earth.
We saw that with the destruction of Vulcan in ST09. You don't think that changed everything? Further, "all the races" were involved and worked together through Starfleet. Unfortunately, they failed.
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