Earth's Role - Page 4

DalekJim · December 28 2012, 01:16 AM

Shazam! wrote:

I know. I don't know what would have happened had she not been there to make out with Spock in a Turbolift.

Or take her shirt off.

Nerys Myk · December 28 2012, 01:23 AM

Shazam! wrote:

Santa Kang wrote:

And Uhura is actually an important character in ST09 rather than eye candy/glorified extra.

I know. I don't know what would have happened had she not been there to make out with Spock in a Turbolift.

DalekJim wrote:

Shazam! wrote:

I know. I don't know what would have happened had she not been there to make out with Spock in a Turbolift.

Or take her shirt off.

Because those two scenes were the limit of her involvement.

DEWLine · December 28 2012, 01:31 AM

Her skills as a xenolinguist, as a signals-intelligence specialist, were shown to be key to many things in the previous movie.

Franklin · December 28 2012, 01:40 AM

DalekJim wrote:

Shazam! wrote:

I know. I don't know what would have happened had she not been there to make out with Spock in a Turbolift.

Or take her shirt off.

And Kirk never did either of those in TOS (well, not make out with Spock, anyway, but you get my point).

Carcazoid · December 28 2012, 01:53 AM

Jeyl wrote:

Carcazoid wrote:

TOS episodes were conceived as, if not written as, a metaphor for the human condition. Regardless of storylines and characters, to change that now would be to abandon entirely GR's vision.

Gene Roddenberry was also known to have said "If we aren't making a story about humans, what's the point?". Talk about writing other races of the Star Trek franchise into a corner. How can an attitude like putting us over anyone who isn't human be considered a forward thinker, or a man with a positive vision?

And it's not like Gene's grand vision was the hallmark of many great episodes. His control over TNG was very much absolute, and under his watchful eye he made the most ludicrous demands of every writer on the show. As a result, we have Picard calling a military uniform a 'costume', preaching about how we've grown out of our 'infancy' because we no longer wish to have possessions, and how humanity and humanity alone will some day be like angels and gods that may one day surpass the Q!

And if you think Gene practiced what he preached, look up the credits to the Star Trek original theme music and you may note that while he was not a composer, his name is there with Alexander Courage. What part of the theme has Gene's contributions in it? Nothing. Because he ripped off Alexander Courage by adding lyrics to the theme which he never intended to use, and as a result took half the royalties from the real artist who was just trying to make an honest living. This man not only wanted his share of Star Trek, but other people's share.

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The Wormhole wrote:

I sure don't mind if a good deal of STID is Earth based. One Earth-focused movie in a 46 year-old space franchise isn't going to hurt at all.

Except Damon specifically states that he wants Earth to play a more pivotal part in 'their' movies, meaning it's going to be the focus of a lot of plots should they decide to continue Star Trek their way.

Maybe someday when (if) we meet some real aliens we can produce some entertainment for them.

The Keeper · December 28 2012, 01:53 AM

I don't have a problem with these early adventures in the Nuverse being Earth-centric. 'Bout time, actually.

Admiral Buzzkill · December 28 2012, 02:15 AM

Well, Zoe had more to do in one movie than Nichelle Nichols has in the entirety of her association with Star Trek - and if they're going to have Uhura disrobe, better she do it now than waving a bunch of fans around in the desert when she's past middle age.

Procutus · December 28 2012, 03:11 AM

DalekJim wrote:

It makes things more accessible and relatable.... but also a lot less interesting. I love the Star Trek mythology as a means of escaping from Earth, a reminder of my real life. The less we see of it the better.

I'll go along with that. A few establishing shots of San Fran would be great, but I really don't want to see the majority of the film taking place there.

I wish we'd get back to 'exploring strange new worlds', but I guess that not what nuTrek is about.

Admiral Buzzkill · December 28 2012, 03:17 AM

It wasn't what any Trek was about, 80 percent of the time.

I guess the fact that I enjoy my real life and don't feel the need to "escape from Earth" may explain some of my enthusiasm for Abrams's stuff.

Carcazoid · December 28 2012, 03:20 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

It wasn't what any Trek was about, 80 percent of the time.

I guess the fact that I enjoy my real life and don't feel the need to "escape from Earth" may explain some of my enthusiasm for Abrams's stuff.

Yup. Count me in on that.

robau · December 28 2012, 03:23 AM

Procutus wrote:

A few establishing shots of San Fran would be great, but I really don't want to see the majority of the film taking place there.

I do. Seriously, I really do. I want to see what normal life is like in the Utopia without the confines of a starship.

They probably won't even show what I really want to see anyway. Stuff like what a citizen that doesn't work for Starfleet does for work. What someone does for transportation(I always wondered if transporters were common). Or what someone does for entertainment.

Procutus · December 28 2012, 03:30 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

I guess the fact that I enjoy my real life and don't feel the need to "escape from Earth" may explain some of my enthusiasm for Abrams's stuff.

I enjoy my real life just fine; I'd just like to see Trek on the screen that felt a bit more like the source material.

Phily B · December 28 2012, 03:35 AM

I like it, if it's done right. I want to see Earth displayed as a paradise and something that we should strive for, like it was in the TV show.

Admiral Buzzkill · December 28 2012, 03:36 AM

Well, this feels a lot more like TOS than anything else Paramount's done for thirty years or so. So it's good.

Procutus · December 28 2012, 03:43 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

Well, this feels a lot more like TOS than anything else Paramount's done for thirty years or so. So it's good.

It's a matter of opinion, of which everyone is entitled to. I just don't find it all that similar.

December 28 2012, 01:31 AM	#48
DEWLine Captain Location: Ottawa, Canada	Re: Earth's Role Her skills as a xenolinguist, as a signals-intelligence specialist, were shown to be key to many things in the previous movie. __________________ Yours, Dwight Williams Illustrator/Writer

December 28 2012, 01:53 AM	#51
The Keeper Commodore Location: Where reality ends and illusion begins	Re: Earth's Role I don't have a problem with these early adventures in the Nuverse being Earth-centric. 'Bout time, actually.

December 28 2012, 02:15 AM	#52
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Earth's Role Well, Zoe had more to do in one movie than Nichelle Nichols has in the entirety of her association with Star Trek - and if they're going to have Uhura disrobe, better she do it now than waving a bunch of fans around in the desert when she's past middle age. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 28 2012, 03:17 AM	#54
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Earth's Role It wasn't what any Trek was about, 80 percent of the time. I guess the fact that I enjoy my real life and don't feel the need to "escape from Earth" may explain some of my enthusiasm for Abrams's stuff. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 28 2012, 03:35 AM	#58
Phily B Fleet Captain Location: United Kingdom	Re: Earth's Role I like it, if it's done right. I want to see Earth displayed as a paradise and something that we should strive for, like it was in the TV show.

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December 28 2012, 03:36 AM	#59
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: Earth's Role Well, this feels a lot more like TOS than anything else Paramount's done for thirty years or so. So it's good. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.