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Old December 28 2012, 03:35 AM   #16
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

I'm thinking more like a bell curve.
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Old December 28 2012, 03:52 AM   #17
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

I would attack Qo'noS just for being spelled Qo'noS.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:04 AM   #18
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please no im bored of them, especially when they end up being one sided.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:55 AM   #19
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

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Perhaps.
But perhaps not.
Yes and no.
It is a quantum state of superposition until the movie is observed in the cinema.
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Old December 28 2012, 05:09 AM   #20
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

Why not? It'll make Star Trek relevant again.

Although I'm thinking more along the lines of a PATRIOT Act parable/criticism here.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:35 PM   #21
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Could be that in response to the destruction of Vulcan (which Lindelof said had a 9-11 effect on the Federation) some group within Star Fleet starts experiments to create soldiers that they think will now be needed.

So, they crack open the Eugenics War cook book, and begin secret experiments on unwitting (and unknowing) Star Fleet personnel. One of them (John Harrison) finds out about it, and gets a little upset.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:46 PM   #22
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Why not? It'll make Star Trek relevant again.

Although I'm thinking more along the lines of a PATRIOT Act parable/criticism here.
That would make sense. After the destruction of Vulcan, Starfleet implements its own version of the PATRIOT Act. John Harrison is a Starfleet captain who disagrees strongly, believing it curbs personal liberties too much and undermines the values of the Federation. To prove that it is useless (destroys liberty while not increasing security), John Harrison launches his attack on Starfleet, hence the line in the trailer about "you think your world is safe, it is an illusion to protect you". This would also explain why Cumberbatch said that the villain's motives are sympathetic. After all, he genuinely believes that Starfleet is curbing personal liberty and betraying its core values.
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Old December 28 2012, 04:52 PM   #23
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9/11 has been more than 10 years ago. It's time for Hollywood to move on.
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Old December 28 2012, 05:20 PM   #24
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9/11 has been more than 10 years ago. It's time for Hollywood to move on.
Hollywood still makes movies about World War II. "Moving on" is not their thing.
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Old December 28 2012, 05:26 PM   #25
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

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9/11 has been more than 10 years ago. It's time for Hollywood to move on.
Hollywood still makes movies about World War II. "Moving on" is not their thing.
True, but there's a slight difference. With 9/11, writers, directors et al. are still trying to overcome their trauma.

Season 3 of Enterprise was already more than enough commentary on 9/11 and its aftermath. No need to rehash it again.
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Old December 28 2012, 05:30 PM   #26
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

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9/11 has been more than 10 years ago. It's time for Hollywood to move on.
Hollywood still makes movies about World War II. "Moving on" is not their thing.
The world itself though isn't over 9/11 yet.
We still feel its effects in various ways...laws, security measures, war etc etc
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Old December 29 2012, 08:46 PM   #27
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Re: Will "Into Darkness" be a 911 parable?

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9/11 has been more than 10 years ago. It's time for Hollywood to move on.
Hollywood still makes movies about World War II. "Moving on" is not their thing.
The world itself though isn't over 9/11 yet.
We still feel its effects in various ways...
Particularly in the form of American bullets, and increasingly in the form of Missiles-Out-Of-Fucking-Nowhere drone attacks.

Picture the Federation conducting a series of random and indiscriminate drone attacks against Romulan colonies, ostensibly to suppress rogue Nero-like elements that might threaten the Federation. Kirk -- who knows better than anyone that Nero didn't come from any of those colonies and was an isolated case -- may have to chose between the brazen illegality of the attacks and the creeping evil of Gary Mitchel's divine-yet-much-deserved vengeance. The moral question being "Which of these evils is the lesser one? The evil that WE do, or the evil that is about to be done to us?"

Of course if Abrams pulls this off he would probably be charged with a war crime for the half a billion heads that would explode trying to parse this story, and I doubt it will end up anywhere near that deep.
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Old December 29 2012, 09:50 PM   #28
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A political Trek like The Undiscovered Country?

That'd be brilliant.
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