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Old January 29 2013, 08:33 PM   #646
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

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Old January 29 2013, 08:35 PM   #647
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So because he doesn't think a work of fiction is "magical" (a meaningless term), he's going to be unsuccessful in his personality life?? WTF? What's with all this venom?!?!
I'm gonna die a bitter, lonely recluse and it's all because I didn't find a 2009 summer popcorn movie to be "magical". For not feeling said "magical" experience, I am also a "prick" apparently.


I really hate myself sometimes. I'm such a non-magical prick .
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Old January 29 2013, 08:38 PM   #648
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So because he doesn't think a work of fiction is "magical" (a meaningless term), he's going to be unsuccessful in his personality life?? WTF? What's with all this venom?!?!
I'm gonna die a bitter, lonely recluse and it's all because I didn't find a 2009 summer popcorn movie to be "magical". For not feeling said "magical" experience, I am also a "prick" apparently.


I really hate myself sometimes. I'm such a non-magical prick .
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Old January 29 2013, 08:40 PM   #649
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It's not what you like or dislike, we all have our disagreements. It's how you present them.
Well, we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes polite then considering you've called me a prick and all I've done to rise to it is mildly ridicule your belief that JJ Abrams is capable of magical acts.

The cult of personality surrounding him gets more ludicrous by the day. I wonder if he can cure ailments with touch too?
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Old January 29 2013, 08:41 PM   #650
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It's not what you like or dislike, we all have our disagreements. It's how you present them.
Well, we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes polite then considering you've called me a prick and all I've done to rise to it is mildly ridicule your belief that JJ Abrams is capable of magical acts.
You act like a prick, you'll get called a prick. Such is life.
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Old January 29 2013, 08:44 PM   #651
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Well, I'm gonna report your vileness and then go make a curry. Have a good night.
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Old January 29 2013, 08:46 PM   #652
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Well, I'm gonna report your vileness and then go make a curry. Have a good night.
I'm guessing that you could be surprised at the outcome of said report.
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Old January 29 2013, 08:51 PM   #653
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Well, we have vastly different ideas of what constitutes polite then considering you've called me a prick and all I've done to rise to it is mildly ridicule your belief that JJ Abrams is capable of magical acts.

The cult of personality surrounding him gets more ludicrous by the day. I wonder if he can cure ailments with touch too?
If you can't understand that people may enjoy a movie, may find it fun and exciting and moving, if you need that explained to you with charts and graphs, if you openly express disdain and contempt at everyone who is engaged by entertainment on an emotional level, don't be surprised if people don't always take you seriously.

The kind of idol worship you're talking about doesn't exist in this thread or anywhere on this BBS. People here don't seem to have an irrational admiration for JJ Abrams, they just think he did a good job. Is that really so hard to accept?
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Old January 29 2013, 08:56 PM   #654
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Well, I gave you a reason why you're completely wrong about Spock (and the episodes for reference) and so have others, several times, yet you choose to completely ignore them.
I haven't ignored them, I just disagree and genuinely don't see Spock/Uhura as a moving love story but as crass titillation for the casual audience that would absolutely not have existed if Star Trek was still popular. It was a cynical attempt at making Spock not look gay or weird, and to show he's one of the lads.
I guess I just have a really hard with your interpretation of the Spock/Uhura relationship. It's not like they shared a hot sex scene. She followed him into the turbolift to comfort him after his mom died. They shared a kiss.

Beyond that one kiss, they didn't do anything sexual for the rest of the move. I just don't see how an incredibly depressing scene like that counts as "crass titillation."

It's not like Spock was going around fist-bumping the crew after successfully banging the new communications officer.
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Old January 29 2013, 09:04 PM   #655
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I guess I just have a really hard with your interpretation of the Spock/Uhura relationship. It's not like they shared a hot sex scene. She followed him into the turbolift to comfort him after his mom died. They shared a kiss.

Beyond that one kiss, they didn't do anything sexual for the rest of the move. I just don't see how an incredibly depressing scene like that counts as "crass titillation."

It's not like Spock was going around fist-pumping the crew after successfully banging the new communications officer.
I can't speak for DalekJim obviously, but it's been my observation that most people who denounce "crass titillation" are actually intimidated by the display of genuine human affection. It's not so much sex that make them feel uncomfortable, it's love.
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Old January 29 2013, 09:06 PM   #656
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Old January 29 2013, 09:09 PM   #657
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Well, that was helpful...
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Old January 29 2013, 09:13 PM   #658
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Where's that Picard facepalm when you need it?
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Old January 29 2013, 09:19 PM   #659
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Wouldn't it be cool if Abrams made a movie where ships from Trek and Wars fight it out to see which franchise is best, once and for all?

Uncontroversial right?
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Old January 29 2013, 09:20 PM   #660
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When have Star Trek films ( or even Star Trek in general) been deep and substantial? Did I miss an installment? The films since TWOK have always been action oriented. What passes for deep in Trek couldn't drown an ant. They've always been more about feeling than thinking, too. It might be time for Trek fans to stop deluding themselves.
MOST of the TOS movies were about them beibg familial,...disregarding authority for each other since TWOK which is what us fans regard James Kirk in doing.

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I'm not deluding myself at all, I could take or leave most of the Star Trek films. Apart from The Motion Picture which is brilliant because it's everything Abrams' Trek isn't.
It's also a boring, poorly written 2001 wannabe that's further away from Star Trek than Abrams film could ever be.
TMP is the only film that Roddenberry was personally involved with, which means that it was the only one that was made closer to his ideas than others of just what "Star Trek" is...and though the movie may be dull IYO I love it..
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