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Old January 29 2013, 12:33 AM   #526
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

One thing Vulcans certainly are is arrogant. They are all far more emotional than they realize. They are just too proud to admit it to themselves or others.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:35 AM   #527
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One thing Vulcans certainly are is arrogant. They are all far more emotional than they realize. They are just too proud to admit it to themselves or others.
Vulcans were perfectly fine up until Enterprise and Abramstrek. Good thing I can ignore both.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:37 AM   #528
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Spock and Uhuru are shagging now because this Twilight-esque cross-species mopey business about a sexy ancient creature romancing a young woman is in vogue now
No.
It might just be that people like seeing romance in movies. And honestly, it was a nice change of pace to have it be somebody other than Kirk.
Specifically, it showed Kirk getting shot down because Uhura was dating Spock.

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Movie studios are in business to make money, not to satisfy yours and others' lame fanboy desires and laughable needs.
I think it's depressing when we get to the point where wanting a good story is a laughable need.

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It might just be that people like seeing romance in movies. And honestly, it was a nice change of pace to have it be somebody other than Kirk.
Do you not think it dumbs down Spock to our level and makes him less interesting?
I always thought Uhura and Spock might have had a thing in the original series what with her lute playing for him.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:38 AM   #529
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The discussion

"The Vulcans are logical, rational, non emotional." - "No, they aren't, because Sarek and that dude and those children aren't."

is like

"Americans are gun crazed." - "No, they aren't, because Obama, my uncle, and my neighbor aren't."

Um, if we can't cite specific examples of how Vulcans behaved on the actual TV episodes, what other evidence is there?

Some abstract notion of what Vulcans are supposed to be?

But, anyway, Jedis, Vulcans . . . compare and contrast. Do we want to see Zachary Quinto playing a Jedi? What about Ben Cross?

(Desperately trying to stay on topic.)
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Old January 29 2013, 12:42 AM   #530
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One thing Vulcans certainly are is arrogant. They are all far more emotional than they realize. They are just too proud to admit it to themselves or others.
Vulcans were perfectly fine up until Enterprise and Abramstrek. Good thing I can ignore both.
Which isn't the least bit true. The Vulcans from Enterprise/Star Trek 2009 fit in perfectly with those from TOS.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:44 AM   #531
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

I'm hope we get to see:

- Leia using The Force and/or a lightsaber.
- Boba Fett out and about, having survived.
- Black Sun
- Luke in charge of the new Jedi council
- Allusions to the events of the NJO series etc.
- No Sith. Just Dark Jedi.
- Imperial Remnant working for the good of the galaxy.
- Mandalorians.
- A generally respectful treatment of the EU

I'm hoping we don't see:

- LENS-FLARE.
- Fucking shit trailer dialogue like "Buckle up!"
- Another "Jedi falling to the dark-side" plot. It's dull now.
- A new Han Solo type. It's a dull cliche and the EU has seen a billion Han Solo knock-offs because of it.
- Ignorance of the EU entirely. Disrespectful to all the artists and fans who have expanded the universe beyond the Skywalker soap.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:48 AM   #532
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I'm hope we get to see:

- Leia using The Force and/or a lightsaber.
- Boba Fett out and about, having survived.
I hope we don't. Leia with a lightsaber never sits right with me and Boba Fett died, regardless of what the EU says.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:51 AM   #533
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I hope we don't. Leia with a lightsaber never sits right with me
She's a rebel warrior we saw use blasters in the movies. Not a huge stretch for her to use a saber considering she's the daughter of The Chosen One? She's one of the most force-sensitive people in the galaxy.

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Boba Fett died.
The books bought him back ages ago.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:52 AM   #534
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

DalekJim wrote: View Post
I'm hope we get to see:

- Leia using The Force and/or a lightsaber.
- Boba Fett out and about, having survived.
- Black Sun
- Luke in charge of the new Jedi council
- Allusions to the events of the NJO series etc.
- No Sith. Just Dark Jedi.
- Imperial Remnant working for the good of the galaxy.
- Mandalorians.
- A generally respectful treatment of the EU

I'm hoping we don't see:

- LENS-FLARE.
- Fucking shit trailer dialogue like "Buckle up!"
- Another "Jedi falling to the dark-side" plot. It's dull now.
- A new Han Solo type. It's a dull cliche and the EU has seen a billion Han Solo knock-offs because of it.
- Ignorance of the EU entirely. Disrespectful to all the artists and fans who have expanded the universe beyond the Skywalker soap.
You do realize the vast majority of fans know nothing of the EU?

I hope it's set far enough after the original trilogy, that we don't see Luke, Leia or Han.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:54 AM   #535
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Not on-screen she isn't. ESB demonstrates some latent ability but having her on equal footing with Luke dilutes his character IMO.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:55 AM   #536
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

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Boba Fett died.
The books bought him back ages ago.
Actually, Marvel Comics brought him back in their first Post-RotJ issue.
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Old January 29 2013, 12:57 AM   #537
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Books, schmooks (schmucks?)
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Old January 29 2013, 12:59 AM   #538
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You do realize the vast majority of fans know nothing of the EU?
Debatable considering the sales of the video-games alone but it's irrelevant. I don't expect the films will require EU knowledge to understand but at least SOME effort should be made not to tread on the EU's toes. Otherwise it'll piss me off and I won't accept it. I'm not discounting years and years of my reading for a JJ Abrams movie.
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Old January 29 2013, 01:02 AM   #539
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^Maybe it will be an alternate timeline.
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Old January 29 2013, 01:04 AM   #540
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^Maybe it will be an alternate timeline.
It won't because Abrams actually cares about Star Wars. It's why I'm vaguely optimistic about this despite dismissing STID utterly.
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