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Old January 25 2013, 07:12 PM   #241
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

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Trek survived Shatner directing, it can survive anything...
Shatner didn't flush 30 years of continuity down the drain.

So what? STAR TREK is more than just its "continuity."

Time to move on . . .
Star Trek is much more than continuity - unfortunately Abrams threw out all the stuff that it is besides continuity too.

Abrams is a great choice for Star Wars. But he was a lousy choice for Trek. Here's hoping this means he'll be off Trek and it can go to someone who has a clue how to make it fun and thought-provoking again. Because Trek, back in the day, managed to do both when it was on its game (which granted was about 35-50% of the time...)
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Old January 25 2013, 07:28 PM   #242
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Abrams is a lousy choice for anything. Is it paranoid to think he's specifically out to get me ? First, he destroys my favorite Sci fi series ever by making it an action movie for the Transformers crowd (and written by the writers of TF1 & 2, not surprisingly). Now, the news say he's moving on to destroy Star Wars (even though he said earlier that he wasn't going to). He's easily as bad as Michael Bay, all special effects in his movies with absolutely no substance whatsoever, but he gets a pass from a lot of people. Actually, I think I can stand Bay more than I can JJ. Atleast with Bay, you know what you'll get. He ruins stuff in predictable ways. I have no idea what JJ will do to destroy it. Of course, to really destroy it they'll need to hire the morons who wrote Star Trek, ST - ID, and Transformers 1 & 2. JJ couldn't destroy as much without those two idiots. Honestly, i'd rather have Lucas do a new movie all by himself. Atleast then it might have a few good moments. If JJ does it, then 2015 will mark the day that the Star Wars franchise officially has a movie worse than Phantom Menace, which atleast wasn't made solely for people who just want explosions, generic characters, lensflares and sex appeal (I guess, I don't think new Uhura is particularly attractive, and she was really annoying, but they seemed to be going for that with her and random scenes like the one with Kirk and the orion). With my luck, after Star wars he'll move on to Firefly
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Old January 25 2013, 07:58 PM   #243
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Old January 25 2013, 08:09 PM   #244
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Old January 25 2013, 08:13 PM   #245
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Um... guys? To remind you of history, elements of Star Wars would not have existed without Trek. The streams were crossed long ago.
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Old January 25 2013, 08:14 PM   #246
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Um... guys? To remind you of history, elements of Star Wars would not have existed without Trek. The streams were crossed long ago.
Blasphemy!
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Old January 25 2013, 08:19 PM   #247
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

It's why I think the fan wars are rather silly, in the end. And I was glad the last movie was so popular. See, I've been the only Trekkie in the family and my brother and sister-in-law really liked the movie a lot. They took a few steps into my world.
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Old January 25 2013, 08:22 PM   #248
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I just always assumed a nerd was a nerd. If you like spaceships and aliens and crazy adventures, you'll probably like both Trek and Wars and BSG and Firefly and all sorts of other things. You might not like ALL of them, but it's not like there's some huge dividing line that separates all the different fandoms.
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Old January 25 2013, 08:22 PM   #249
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I have no problem with Star Trek/SW mxing people involved if the people were competent. I'm a fan of both. Having the director of the worst thing to be called Star Trek ever directing SW, however, is just about the worst thing that could happen to SW.
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Old January 25 2013, 08:33 PM   #250
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Awesome idea! But they don't all have to be Starfleet. River is a renegade Jedi, Simon is a Vulcan doctor and Jayne can be a shaved Wookie.
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Old January 25 2013, 08:38 PM   #251
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

. We need a When Fan Worlds Collide! movie poster.

I don't know where people find this stuff


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Old January 25 2013, 09:16 PM   #252
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

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Creative incest. Should Peter Jackson have directed Harry Potter films? Or should George Lucas have directed The Motion Picture back then?
Should James Cameron have directed TERMINATOR and ALIENS?

Should Irwin Kershner have directed THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN?

Should Martin Campbell have directed GOLDENEYE and THE MASK OF ZORRO?

Should James Whale have directed FRANKENSTEIN and THE INVISIBLE MAN?

Are directors only allowed one franchise per career? Of course not, that would be silly.

(P.S. I would so buy a ticket to see Nolan's take on IRON MAN.)
I don't think your examples apply. Terminator was original work (forget about Ellison for a second), Alien wasn't even a franchise at that point.

Never Say Never Again wasn't even a Bond film and it's entirely different from a Star Wars film anyway.

Same goes for GoldenEye and Mask of Zorro. Entirely different, and one of them wasn't even a franchise.

Frankenstein and The Invisible Man... now come on.

Except for Bond, none of your examples are as big as Star Trek or Star Wars.

Whoever does the first part of the next Star Wars Trilogy will set the whole tone. I don't like creative monopolys. I already don't like that Christopher Nolan is involved in the Batman Reboot. If you like things to become one monotone mash, good for you then, and bad for me then, I guess.
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Old January 25 2013, 09:21 PM   #253
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Re: Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

Well, how about Harry Potter, then? Chris Columbus directed the first two and was slated to direct all the rest, but he decided not to return. Instead, he took a producer role and the third film (usually considered the best of the three) was directed by someone else.

Anything can happen. For all we know the next Trek director could take the franchise into an even better direction.
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Old January 25 2013, 09:33 PM   #254
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If it's true, at least he's more likely than some to get the book continuity involved somehow. He likes doing those "fans-only" things.
Yeah, just ask Trek fans
He cared enough to get George Kirk's name right. How many people would even know that?
That seems more due to Orci and Kurtzman. They did similar stuff with their transformer movies.

And they also admitted I think to using the Trek wiki for research.
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Old January 25 2013, 09:39 PM   #255
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Only way from the awful prequels is up. Good riddance Lucas and good luck to Abrams!
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