What's up with Weller's character?

[BenRoethig]

Grandson of John Frederick Paxton?

[acappellasaurus]

Hearing some chatter around that people think Weller might be playing Khan, not Cumberbatch. Thoughts on this possibility? From strictly a looks standpoint, he does have a certain likeness to Ricardo Montalban, I think. This could be the surprise twist maybe?

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Didn't Weller already have a role in the first one:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IDve5JKZP3...r+Trek+Cop.jpg

[serenitytrek1]

I don’t want to start the Trek and Nolan’s batman comparison again but there is a good chance that John Harrison might be what Bane was in TDKR and Peter Weller's character might be what Talia Al Ghul was in TDKR.

So in other words John Harrison might just be a puppet and Weller’s character will be the big bad who will only be effective in the last 10 minutes of the film.

TDKR was an average film at best in my opinion so it will suck (a bit) if the plot is similar to the plot in into darkness in terms of the villian.

[The Keeper]

No worries, there is another comparison we can make. Weller is The Emperor and Cumberbatch is Vader.

[Jackson_Roykirk]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I don’t want to start the Trek and Nolan’s batman comparison again but there is a good chance that John Harrison might be what Bane was in TDKR and Peter Weller's character might be what Talia Al Ghul was in TDKR.

So in other words John Harrison might just be a puppet and Weller’s character will be the big bad who will only be effective in the last 10 minutes of the film.

TDKR was an average film at best in my opinion so it will suck (a bit) if the plot is similar to the plot in into darkness in terms of the villian.

Yeah, but TDKR's problem wasn't the plot, it was the execution of that plot, and the way the film got mired down in its own self-indulgence during the middle third that meandered relatively aimlessly....

...What I mean is that Nolan added a lot of useless crap in the middle of the film to artificially lengthen it. It would have been a much more entertaining film if he tightened it up, and disposed of the slack.


To avoid the risk of pissing off the mods, I'll get myself back on topic. I guess that could be the case (Harrison being Weller's puppet), but it seems they are pumping up Cumberbatch's character so much that it would be a let down if that happened.

Although, if that does happen, a great twist would be the double-cross -- i.e., Weller may think Harrison was his puppet, but Harrison was actually just leading him along the entire time, and Harrison had a bigger agenda.

That may not be a terribly original plot twist, but if done right it could be an effective twist.

[serenitytrek1]

Jackson_Roykirk wrote:

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Yeah, but TDKR's problem wasn't the plot, it was the execution of that plot, and the way the film got mired down in its own self-indulgence during the middle third that meandered relatively aimlessly....

...What I mean is that Nolan added a lot of useless crap in the middle of the film to artificially lengthen it. It would have been a much more entertaining film if he tightened it up, and disposed of the slack.


To avoid the risk of pissing off the mods, I'll get myself back on topic. I guess that could be the case (Harrison being Weller's puppet), but it seems they are pumping up Cumberbatch's character so much that it would be a let down if that happened.

Although, if that does happen, a great twist would be the double-cross -- i.e., Weller may think Harrison was his puppet, but Harrison was actually just leading him along the entire time, and Harrison had a bigger agenda.

That may not be a terribly original plot twist, but if done right it could be an effective twist.

You hit the nail on the end when you said that they are pumping Cumberbatch's charcater. Cumberbatch is perhaps the most popular actor in the film right now.

its so funny because Nolan an his buddies did the same with Bane's charcater,it was a little dumb when he turned out to be Talia's pet and that was why I said it will suck a bit if John Harrison is only a puppet like Bane.

[Set Harth]

Harrison is clearly a puppet of Khan.

[daveyNY]

Set Harth wrote:

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Harrison is clearly a puppet of Khan.

Does that make him, Pup-Khan ?

And would he be 'buttered up' by the end of the movie??

[Mage]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I don’t want to start the Trek and Nolan’s batman comparison again but there is a good chance that John Harrison might be what Bane was in TDKR and Peter Weller's character might be what Talia Al Ghul was in TDKR.

So in other words John Harrison might just be a puppet and Weller’s character will be the big bad who will only be effective in the last 10 minutes of the film.

TDKR was an average film at best in my opinion so it will suck (a bit) if the plot is similar to the plot in into darkness in terms of the villian.

Countless of movies, tv-shows, novels, comics, games and what not have used this plot. Why would it have to be compared to TDKR?

[The Wormhole]

Mage wrote:

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Countless of movies, tv-shows, novels, comics, games and what not have used this plot. Why would it have to be compared to TDKR?

TDKR is still fresh in everyone's minds, therefore it created this trope as far as the General Audience is concerned.

[Mage]

The Wormhole wrote:

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TDKR is still fresh in everyone's minds, therefore it created this trope as far as the General Audience is concerned.

Makes sense when you put it that way.

[SalvorHardin]

serenitytrek1 wrote:

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I don’t want to start the Trek and Nolan’s batman comparison again but there is a good chance that John Harrison might be what Bane was in TDKR and Peter Weller's character might be what Talia Al Ghul was in TDKR.

If we're going to do comparisons with Nolan's Batman movies, we should look for them not in TDKR but in TDK, which is the movie the writers have said they wanted to draw some inspiration from or something along those lines.
Was anything even known about TDKR when the script for STID was written? Star Trek finished filming May 2012 and Rises came out a few months later if I'm not mistaken.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

There are many, many references to Buckaroo Banzai scattered throughout TNG. The oscillation overthruster prop makes several appearances. According to their dedication plaques a number of Starfleet vessels were assembled at various Yoyodyne shipyards and contractor facilities.

[serenitytrek1]

SalvorHardin wrote:

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If we're going to do comparisons with Nolan's Batman movies, we should look for them not in TDKR but in TDK, which is the movie the writers have said they wanted to draw some inspiration from or something along those lines.
Was anything even known about TDKR when the script for STID was written? Star Trek finished filming May 2012 and Rises came out a few months later if I'm not mistaken.

I am kind of sad that JJ and his crew need to draw inspiration from TDK.

Why?

ST09 was better than TDK (In my opinion). Besides, Rottentomatoes and Metacritic agree with me as ST 09 has a much higher critical reception than TDK.

I consider TDK to be overrated,Dont get me wrong it was a good film but it is not the best superhero film ever. Also, I was never into the Joker worship like the comic fan boys. Joker in TDK was too much of a gary stu for my taste, I hope STID is A better film.