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Old December 22 2012, 04:04 PM   #16
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Problem with Archer was the way he was written. It's incredible that a space-faring organization would send someone so naive in command of their first deep-space mission. It needed to be someone far more pragmatic.

As soon as I saw Broken Bow, I knew he wasn't cut out for the Captain's chair.
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Old December 22 2012, 05:56 PM   #17
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Archer only got his command out of nepotism. Really the only way to explain it given how he behaved.
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Old December 22 2012, 11:31 PM   #18
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The reveal of the Space Nazi at the end of Zero Hour.
If by memorable you mean perhaps the most facepalming scene in Trek history.
No, I mean memorable. It was the only thing in either Voyager or Enterprise that actually had me still thinking about it five minutes after an episode had ended.
And what were your thoughts on space nazis?
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Old December 23 2012, 01:42 AM   #19
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If by memorable you mean perhaps the most facepalming scene in Trek history.
No, I mean memorable. It was the only thing in either Voyager or Enterprise that actually had me still thinking about it five minutes after an episode had ended.
And what were your thoughts on space nazis?
I thought they were great and totally out of left field. It had me wondering where the story would be going. At that point I still hadn't heard whether the series was even going to be renewed for season four.
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Old December 23 2012, 06:15 AM   #20
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When I first read the synopsis for Enterprise episodes, when I saw the Nazis I could only think "please, not again." It's my understanding that by the time of TOS' "Patterns of Force", Space Nazis were already a science fiction cliche. I was equally dismayed when Voyager's Hirogen wore Nazi uniforms. The Space Nazis of Star Trek might have fared better if their wardrobe had only resembled Nazi gear, rather than being straight from Western Costume Company.

And poor Skip Homeier suffered from typecasting through most of his career, after playing a Hitler Youth on Broadway (and film version) at age 13-14.
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Old December 23 2012, 07:18 AM   #21
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I LOVE SPACE NAZIS.

You don't see people complaining about the Space Nazis in Dr. Who now do you?
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Old December 23 2012, 07:49 AM   #22
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I LOVE SPACE NAZIS.

You don't see people complaining about the Space Nazis in Dr. Who now do you?
I've never seen Dr Who, so I can't comment. But Star Trek does try to take itself seriously most of the time and be original. Taking a cheap knockoff of an existing villain just to artificially force a villain into a given situation is pretty much the height of uncreativty and unoriginality.
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Old December 23 2012, 08:34 AM   #23
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All the space nazi eps I can think of were chock full of campiness. The most serious one was Patterns of Force and even that had the shirtless whipping scenes.

I firmly believe they would have stuffed Hitler in a closet if they could have in Trek.

But Star Trek does try to take itself seriously most of the time and be original.
But why it shouldn't it have some fun as well?

Okay maybe not everyone is laughing at this:



Or enjoying the utter campiness of this fellow (who as I have said before is straight out of The Desert Peach):



Or thinking this was all rather slashy before I knew what the word slashy meant:



But I am

And since this is the ENT forum.. Archer is in big troubles here.



Beaten up again and leered at, poor fellow.

And tell me you don't laugh at this. Really.

The desk, the VENETIANS!!




And this one is like some Greeting Card from Hell





I bet when you open up the Greeting Card from Hell there's a photo of a Doberman with a Christmas wreath round its neck.
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Old December 23 2012, 11:13 AM   #24
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You are so bad, teacake.



Memorable scenes? I give you...

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Old December 23 2012, 11:53 AM   #25
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And why do DS9 and TNG top my favorite list regarding Trek? Well it's a part of not having space nazi's.
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Old December 23 2012, 11:57 AM   #26
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I loved Enterprise sooooo much for not having Riker and then it stabbed me through the heart.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:08 PM   #27
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I loved Enterprise sooooo much for not having Riker and then it stabbed me through the heart.
I like how Blalock described the Valentine.
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Old December 23 2012, 12:11 PM   #28
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*cough* Cardassians *cough*
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Old December 23 2012, 02:00 PM   #29
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Yes! Cardassians are Space Nazis without the swastikas.
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Yes! Cardassians are Space Nazis without the swastikas.
Never got the interest in the Cardassians? I'd rather have Space Nazis with the swastikas.
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