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Old December 22 2012, 07:01 AM   #16
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

There were both great and bad Q episodes, but De Lancie's performance was always entertaining even if the episode he was in wasn't that good. I did like the fact that the character had his own arc and changed and grew to respect humans by the end of this time in TNG. His conversations with "Jean-Luc" were always fun.
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Old December 22 2012, 12:43 PM   #17
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I could have done without Voyager turning the Q Continuum into a disgruntled sitcom family.
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Old December 22 2012, 12:53 PM   #18
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I would love to be Vash.
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Old December 22 2012, 04:28 PM   #19
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Part of my problem was taking John DeLancie seriously - he'd been on Days of Our Lives previously (What? My mom watched it! I swear!) and he played a goofy, comedic "nutty professor" type of guy. I know you're not supposed to let actors' other roles infiltrate your mind when watching them, but I just couldn't help seeing that goofball bow-tie-wearing (before they cool) scientist every time DeLancie showed up.
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Old December 22 2012, 05:01 PM   #20
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Imho: Q was created as a safetyvalve VS the Borg.
They wanted to add the Borg, but were afraid, and thinking the original Borg were simply unbeatable, Q could intervene at any later episode if the Borg became to uber.
On the other hand, despite Q being awkward in many a case, there is a certain logic behind the species.
Perhaps they were trying to figure out how they were before their 'enlightenment'?
Or were they looking into a "how would we be without our God status?"
People did things for lesser fun.
Think of the Nazi's: How would a person being frozen to a corpse-icle act, think, react?
What on Earth can we learn from such things?
However, mister Mengele (AKA The Angel of Death) seem to figure otherwise, even if it only was for his own sadistic satisfaction.
Sometimes we do not get a 'Why is this', while it still happens.
Why... who knows...
Ask the Q? :P
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Old December 22 2012, 05:11 PM   #21
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A'Tun-Te wrote: View Post
Imho: Q was created as a safetyvalve VS the Borg.
They wanted to add the Borg, but were afraid, and thinking the original Borg were simply unbeatable, Q could intervene at any later episode if the Borg became to uber.
Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
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Old December 23 2012, 01:24 AM   #22
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

BillJ wrote: View Post
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Imho: Q was created as a safetyvalve VS the Borg.
They wanted to add the Borg, but were afraid, and thinking the original Borg were simply unbeatable, Q could intervene at any later episode if the Borg became to uber.
Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
Indeed, the first concepts of the Borg were thought up near the end of the first season as a result of the Ferengi not being as threatening as originally intended. The Borg had nothing to do with Q's creation.
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Old December 23 2012, 10:04 PM   #23
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

And weren't the Borg originally supposed to to be a insect species? When they were altered into cyborg slaves, TPTB kept the "hive mind" aspect of the insects.

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Old December 24 2012, 04:12 AM   #24
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Imho: Q was created as a safetyvalve VS the Borg.
They wanted to add the Borg, but were afraid, and thinking the original Borg were simply unbeatable, Q could intervene at any later episode if the Borg became to uber.
Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
They were both in Q2 as well. But that episode does deserve forgetting.
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Old December 24 2012, 01:47 PM   #25
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Imho: Q was created as a safetyvalve VS the Borg.
They wanted to add the Borg, but were afraid, and thinking the original Borg were simply unbeatable, Q could intervene at any later episode if the Borg became to uber.
Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
They were both in Q2 as well. But that episode does deserve forgetting.
In Q2, Q screams at his son not to provoke the Borg, implying even the Continuum has some fear of them.
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Old December 24 2012, 04:16 PM   #26
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Imho: Q was created as a safetyvalve VS the Borg.
They wanted to add the Borg, but were afraid, and thinking the original Borg were simply unbeatable, Q could intervene at any later episode if the Borg became to uber.
Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
They were both in Q2 as well. But that episode does deserve forgetting.
That a Voyager episode?
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Old December 24 2012, 07:20 PM   #27
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Someone said GR originally intended Q to be a V'ger virus or one of Decker and Ilea's new race if not them himself or maybe he was a Starship Captain that breached the barrier and became godlike like Mitchell almost did. He's certainly not entirely Human if at all.
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Old December 24 2012, 11:45 PM   #28
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Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
They were both in Q2 as well. But that episode does deserve forgetting.
That a Voyager episode?
Yes, Q2 is an episode from Voyager's seventh season. Q seeks Janeway's help in teaching responsibility to his teenage son.
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Old December 25 2012, 04:11 AM   #29
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Re: Do you agree with the concept of the Q?

The Wormhole wrote: View Post
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Since Q was created for Encounter at Farpoint and the earliest inklings of the Borg were in the season one finale, I'm going to say that the creation of the two had nothing to do with one another. Plus, the only time we see Q and the Borg in the same episode is Q, Who?
They were both in Q2 as well. But that episode does deserve forgetting.
In Q2, Q screams at his son not to provoke the Borg, implying even the Continuum has some fear of them.
I always got the impression that it was less a fear and more an annoyance that The Borg would probably go ape shit trying to find out what just happened i.e when the Enterprise-D managed to travel back to the Alpha Quadrant so quickly and escape The Borg, which caused the first invasion of the Federation by The Borg.

As for the Q, I liked them. Like with most things though, Voyager ran them in the ground and ultimately ruined them. I thought it was neat that the Q were interested in humanity like they were, and that Q sort of liked them. I mean, he basically saved their bacon in the long run by introducing them to The Borg. People can say it's a little silly that they're interested in humans, but whose to say a Q wasn't in another galaxy giving it the same to another species?

I think the ant colony analogy is good, though people perhaps take it a little too literally.
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Old December 26 2012, 05:09 PM   #30
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Well put.

I like this idea...
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