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Old December 20 2012, 09:59 AM   #16
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That a great many people will get very soggy?

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Old December 20 2012, 10:01 AM   #17
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This is the type of stuff I never think about for a second.
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Old December 20 2012, 12:27 PM   #18
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The nuEnterprise is as large as a Galaxy class too.
But common sense tells us it is not!!
The size of the bridge bridge window, the network of corridors around and behind the bridge, the saucer rim and neck windows being the same size as the one on the bridge, the enourmous shuttlebay full of big shuttles and the engineering complex tell us the ship is far larger than the one seen in The Motion Picture or The Original Series.

We briefly see the old and new Enterprises together in this cute little Phase II fanvid:


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I think you mean 1200 FEET, not meters (probably a typo, considering the rest of your post). The designers of the ship for Abrams' film originally wanted to make the ship 1200 feet, which still would have been about 30% larger than the TOS Enterprise, but smaller than the TNG Enterprise. However, by the time they were done, their design grew to about 2300 feet, which is larger than Picard's ship.

So, yeah -- like you said, 750-ish meters.
Although the scale changed during the film's development (and the ship appears much smaller on the ground, to fit the shipyard/power plant location), the model was apparently detailed to be 1200 *meters* in length. See here for details: http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=137050
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Old December 20 2012, 02:47 PM   #19
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We briefly see the old and new Enterprises together in this cute little Phase II fanvid:

This video shows me how impressive Matt Jefferies original Enterprise is and how well it holds up vs. modern incarnations of the design.
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Old December 20 2012, 03:04 PM   #20
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This is the type of stuff I never think about for a second.
Exactly. Why does this matter at all?
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Old December 20 2012, 03:32 PM   #21
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In reference to the title suggesting that the ship is crashing, and many other fans here mentioning the same, is it the general consensus here that that ship actually is crashing?

'Cause, when I look at that clip, it looks to me like that ship is being piloted deliberately, with attitude. The pilot knows the stress his ship can handle, has precision control, and really wants to scary the hell out of any bystanders who are watching nearby. And this little water-dip trick is just the start of what that ship is about to do, strafing and detonating, and plowing through buildings, ect.
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Old December 20 2012, 03:38 PM   #22
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honestly even if this is true 99.5% of people seeing wont care.
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Old December 20 2012, 03:51 PM   #23
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In reference to the title suggesting that the ship is crashing, and many other fans here mentioning the same, is it the general consensus here that that ship actually is crashing?

'Cause, when I look at that clip, it looks to me like that ship is being piloted deliberately, with attitude. The pilot knows the stress his ship can handle, has precision control, and really wants to scary the hell out of any bystanders who are watching nearby. And this little water-dip trick is just the start of what that ship is about to do, strafing and detonating, and plowing through buildings, ect.
One of the nacelles is on fire trailing smoke behind it...
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Old December 20 2012, 03:57 PM   #24
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No according to the art of the film and early john eaves interviews they had set it at 1200 meters In fact in the coffee table book it was listed at 1200 meters
It was then finally downscaled to 750ish officially
In any case bigger than puny nextgenprises
That would make it ~ the same size as the Excelsior class star ships which are still the most awesome of all the Trek ships IMO.

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Old December 20 2012, 05:10 PM   #25
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One of the nacelles is on fire trailing smoke behind it...
I could watch that sequence to the poin where it would be burned into my mind's eye for the rest of my life and I still wouldn't be able to see what you and others are describing. I can see a lot of water being kicked up in a spray, how is anyone able to tell the difference between water spray and smoke? All I can see is water spraying all over the place, I can't make out any smoke there.
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Old December 20 2012, 05:20 PM   #26
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One of the nacelles is on fire trailing smoke behind it...
I could watch that sequence to the poin where it would be burned into my mind's eye for the rest of my life and I still wouldn't be able to see what you and others are describing. I can see a lot of water being kicked up in a spray, how is anyone able to tell the difference between water spray and smoke? All I can see is water spraying all over the place, I can't make out any smoke there.
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Old December 20 2012, 06:25 PM   #27
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If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?
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Old December 20 2012, 06:30 PM   #28
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If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?
You can't say for sure its shields were down. Or maybe its navigational deflector is enough for it to handle atmospheric flight or it has heat shields?

The Enterprise survived atmospheric flight in Tomorrow is Yesterday without its shields.
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Old December 20 2012, 06:36 PM   #29
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It seems to me as if it's skimming the top of the water while trying to pull up.
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Old December 20 2012, 07:08 PM   #30
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If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?
The Enterprise D didn't when it crashed on Veridian III. Voyager didn't when it crashed on that ice planet.
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