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Old December 19 2012, 07:59 PM   #16
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It also makes no sense to hide a space ship from indigenous javelin throwers under water instead of, like, I dunno, space.
I'm really hoping they have a good reason for the Enterprise to be hiding underwater.
Did they even try to explain why the holo-ship was hidden underwater in Insurrection? When it not only could have beamed the Ba'ku up from orbit, but it had a cloaking device too?

It's whatever that was.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:03 PM   #17
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It also makes no sense to hide a space ship from indigenous javelin throwers under water instead of, like, I dunno, space.
I'm really hoping they have a good reason for the Enterprise to be hiding underwater.
It looks cool and it's a good place to hide, that's good enough for me
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Old December 19 2012, 08:07 PM   #18
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It also makes no sense to hide a space ship from indigenous javelin throwers under water instead of, like, I dunno, space.
I'm really hoping they have a good reason for the Enterprise to be hiding underwater.
Did they even try to explain why the holo-ship was hidden underwater in Insurrection? When it not only could have beamed the Ba'ku up from orbit, but it had a cloaking device too?

It's whatever that was.
But that sunk Insurrection for me because it made absolutely no sense.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:16 PM   #19
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It also makes no sense to hide a space ship from indigenous javelin throwers under water instead of, like, I dunno, space.
I'm really hoping they have a good reason for the Enterprise to be hiding underwater.
It looks cool and it's a good place to hide, that's good enough for me
Pretty much. Especially since this isn't even part of the main story, who cares?
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Old December 19 2012, 08:18 PM   #20
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But that sunk Insurrection for me because it made absolutely no sense.
What sunk Insurrection for me was the fact that it felt like a 2-hour TV episode; it would have been fine as a TV episode, but it didn't feel like a theatrical release. That feeling had nothing to do with the lack of explaining why the cloaked ship was there in the water. I suppose they had their (unspoken) reasons to hide there.

If the explanation for why STID's Enterprise was under water could be done quickly and not sound forced, then fine. Otherwise all I need to know is that they had a reason for being there. The details of that reason may not really matter.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:18 PM   #21
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I'm really hoping they have a good reason for the Enterprise to be hiding underwater.
Did they even try to explain why the holo-ship was hidden underwater in Insurrection? When it not only could have beamed the Ba'ku up from orbit, but it had a cloaking device too?

It's whatever that was.
But that sunk Insurrection for me because it made absolutely no sense.
Out of all the crap in Insurrection that's what sunk it for you?
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Old December 19 2012, 08:19 PM   #22
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I just read from on article from trek movie that the people at bad robat have assured them that there is logical reason for enterprise being under water. So I hope that help people feel better about the whole enterprise underwater thing it sure helped calm my fears.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:28 PM   #23
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They also said that although they have a reason for everything they do, they won't all be told in the movie since Trekkies are so good at coming up with their own justifications.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:44 PM   #24
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They also said that although they have a reason for everything they do, they won't all be told in the movie since Trekkies are so good at coming up with their own justifications.
Case in point. How can holodecks have more people in them than physically exists visually in the space itself?

Trek fan explination - magical invisible treadmills that allow people to have the illusion they are walking but they are not. Computer controlled artificial walls that fool the visitor to turn in one direction or another. ad nausea.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:45 PM   #25
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Out of all the crap in Insurrection that's what sunk it for you?
Everything that happened in the film hinged on Data finding a cloaked spaceship with transporters in a lake.
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Old December 19 2012, 09:36 PM   #26
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They also said that although they have a reason for everything they do, they won't all be told in the movie since Trekkies are so good at coming up with their own justifications.
Case in point. How can holodecks have more people in them than physically exists visually in the space itself?

Trek fan explination - magical invisible treadmills that allow people to have the illusion they are walking but they are not. Computer controlled artificial walls that fool the visitor to turn in one direction or another. ad nausea.
Very True.

If I wanted to be nit-picky, I could certainly be put off by the inconsistencies created by the holodeck.
However, I'm not nit-picky, and the inconsistencies don't bother me; I just go with it.
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Old December 19 2012, 10:13 PM   #27
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They also said that although they have a reason for everything they do, they won't all be told in the movie since Trekkies are so good at coming up with their own justifications.
Case in point. How can holodecks have more people in them than physically exists visually in the space itself?

Trek fan explination - magical invisible treadmills that allow people to have the illusion they are walking but they are not. Computer controlled artificial walls that fool the visitor to turn in one direction or another. ad nausea.
Very True.

If I wanted to be nit-picky, I could certainly be put off by the inconsistencies created by the holodeck.
However, I'm not nit-picky, and the inconsistencies don't bother me; I just go with it.
If I wanted to criticize holodecks, it wouldn't be for how the technology purportedly works. I'd instead gripe about how their presented uses often contributed so little to the overall Star Trek milieu. It brought forth interesting stories on occasion, but a lot of the time it was a cheap excuse to get people off the ship sets, or worse, set up totally bogus and nonsensical drama. Voyager was the worst offender here, but TNG and DS9 had their own flirtations with holodeck hogwash, too. We have ships that can travel all over the galaxy, with weird and wondrous planets to behold and explore... and we get shows about people fucking about with glorified video games. Yawn.

That's what I would say if I wanted to criticize holodecks.
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Old December 20 2012, 01:33 AM   #28
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I can only think of a couple of reasons why they are choosing to hide the Enterprise underwater. It's possible they are trying to remain undiscovered by someone other than the spear-chucking natives. There could be a more advanced civilization on the planet that does have the capability to detect a starship in orbit, or Nibiru could be in disputed territory between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
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Old December 20 2012, 01:44 AM   #29
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Well I was having real issues with them hiding the enterprise underwater when they would be better off in space until I remembered the Insurrection scene and remembered that the Insurrection holoship underwater never bothered me so I guess this doesn't either (It was cool!!!)

What DID bother me about the underwater holoship in insurrection is that the waterline does not appear to change and the holoship is clearly above the original waterline... Picard etc are at the shore and though the lake is emptied of at least 10 metres of water... the shoreline etc stays the same. That bothered me more than the why it was there .. hm

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