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Old December 19 2012, 03:11 PM   #16
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Re: Breen Confederacy Races

Oh, clever! And alien. School uniforms for everybody? Ones you really can't take off. (Or roll the skirt up to waterline.)

What is the rationale for the UT-incompatible voices there?

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Old December 19 2012, 03:20 PM   #17
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Oh, clever! And alien. School uniforms for everybody? Ones you really can't take off. (Or roll the skirt up to waterline.)

What is the rationale for the UT-incompatible voices there?

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They really don't want others to hear what they're saying. In the Cold Equations novels the Breen switch back and forth between turning their translators on and off depending on whether they want/need the outsiders to hear what they're saying. It doesn't quite fit with what we saw on the show, since Weyoun and Damar were able to make sense of the Breen noise, but whatever.
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Old December 19 2012, 03:26 PM   #18
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As for being canon - canon shmanon - just enjoy the damned story.
Right. Canon purism is a philosophy that doesn't make sense during an era when there's no new onscreen Trek adding to the universe (which is pretty much the case now, since the occasional movies we get are developing an alternate continuity). For the first couple of decades of fandom, the only regular source of new Trek material was the tie-ins; canon (if the word had been used back then, which it wasn't as far as I recall) consisted only of the original 79 episodes, an animated series that not everyone accepted as real or had even gotten to see, and eventually a smattering of movies. So fans who wanted to explore the universe more fully and see more adventures of their beloved characters had essentially nowhere to turn except tie-ins. It was through tie-ins that Trek was kept alive and active as something more than just a bunch of old reruns. Rather than being marginalized and dismissed, the tie-ins were very important to the fan community.

It's understandable why that changed in the TNG era, when there was onscreen Trek in large quantities on a continuing basis. It was natural then that the canon material would take the lead in defining and expanding ST, with the tie-ins taking more of a back seat. But now things are back to the way they were before TNG. Most of the new Trek material coming out these days -- and all of the new Prime-Universe material -- is in the tie-ins. So clinging to TNG-era canon elitism is self-defeating. It's a failure to adapt to the times.
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Old December 20 2012, 02:56 PM   #19
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That is one of the primary reasons I enjoy the novelverse as much as I do. There isn't any other media that is going to further 'the adventures', so I read. I don't really care if everything meshes with everything else - at this point it is virtually impossible to do. It is a magnificent ride when the books move the whole universe along (so to speak) but I have no issues with 'one ofs' either.

In my case the reason is probably more pragmatic then anything else. Being in the service for 35 years, I have been deployed a lot. When away, a library was usually always provided for the men and women overseas- and more often than not kept supplied by people across Canada who would donate their books to their local nearby base. They would eventually make their way overseas to be distributed to the troops. There would always be huge tri-walls (massive shipping boxes) of books to rummage through. I would do my best grabbing ANYTHING Trek that I could. Never in order, I would gobble up whatever story crossed my path. It didn't matter from which series or when the book was published. I have ended up reading many books over and over because that was all that was available, periodically a current book but more often than not something years old. While I was away, my family would be buying up everything they could from the period I was away and I would always come home to stacks of books and other paraphernalia that they had collected for me.

To be honest, I still don't read everything in order. I still have a pile my family bought me (I got back from a year long tour from Afghanistan last year); I have been buying over the past year as well; and within all those I haven't read everything - meaning that there are a bunch of books I should have read before others. I have made my way through all the Typhon Pact series - and those in order, too - probably because of this BBS more than anything else. Everything else will be read as I have time and as the blurb on the back of the book grabs me.

In the end, as long as I have a good story in my hands (and the last few years have been terrific) I am satisfied. I "don't pay no never mind" to the canon issue - it's all canon to me - just with different shelves in my brain.
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Old December 26 2012, 06:37 PM   #20
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To be honest, I still don't read everything in order. I still have a pile my family bought me (I got back from a year long tour from Afghanistan last year); I have been buying over the past year as well; and within all those I haven't read everything - meaning that there are a bunch of books I should have read before others. I have made my way through all the Typhon Pact series - and those in order, too - probably because of this BBS more than anything else. Everything else will be read as I have time and as the blurb on the back of the book grabs me.
As a military man myself I remember I got various TNG, VOY novels in much that same haphazard manner in Iraq many years ago.

As far as the original topic of this thread is concerned: I found it interesting, also, to see how such a society functioned with such compartmentalized secrecy that makes the Cardassians with the Obsidian Order still active look like a hippie commune.

With subterfuge and the like the Breen of David Mack's creation have a vaguely Soviet feel to them. I can see their Intel community has very KGB-esque ruthlessness to it.

It stated only an individual's family or the Breen Intelligence Directorate are the only ones who know the true species of each individual. I wonder if that could produce conflict with Breen physicians (I mean what medical procedures can assist a Fenrisal might kill an Amoniri or vice versa) attempting to treat wounded. Or perhaps medicine amongst the Breen is an unevolved science (given Breen lack of compassion it wouldn't surprise me if seriously wounded were left to die) or maybe physicians amongst the Breen are permitted the rare privilege of knowing what species each individual under their care.

Personally I imagine Breen tend to just euthanize the seriously injured or ill and allow the lesser ill or lesser wounded to heal by themselves or with minimal assistance from the group.
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