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Old December 17 2012, 04:48 AM   #1
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Where’s all the speculation?

I expected the conversation around The Villain of the Piece to ratchet up following the announcement of the name John Harrison. But that doesn't seem to be happening.

Have we all just decieded, “oh, screw it: we’ll find out at the premiere,” or what?
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Old December 17 2012, 05:09 AM   #2
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

I initially thought it was a new character until somewhere Bob Ocri or one of the other writers said Benedict Cumberbatch played a character from established canon.

I never, for one second, thought it would be Khan. Gary Mitchell seemed more credible, and I thought what little evidence there was had been mounting more toward that direction, but I wouldn't have been surprised if it wasn't.

I'm just going to assume it's "John Harrison" and the name is what it is. Sounds English enough. If it's not, if it's another red herring, oh well.

EDIT: I did send a text to my brother jokingly saying "JOOOOHHHHNNNN!!!!" in reference to TWOK but that was just something that popped into my head after someone said "The Wrath of John Harrison" doesn't have the same ring to it. Kind of funny actually. Like "The Wrath of Bob".
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Old December 17 2012, 05:24 AM   #3
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

I think most have accepted that John Harrison is the characters name and we're all more focused on wonder what he does in the film.
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Old December 17 2012, 05:30 AM   #4
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

AJBlue98 wrote: View Post
I expected the conversation around The Villain of the Piece to ratchet up following the announcement of the name John Harrison. But that doesn't seem to be happening.

Have we all just decieded, “oh, screw it: we’ll find out at the premiere,” or what?
I think the issue is simply that over the last few months, so many people here thought the villain was going to be Khan, or Gary Mitchell, or Garth, or Kor, or [fill in blank with TOS villain name]. Now that it's John Harrison, a new character whom nobody knows anything about, there's really nothing to speculate about anymore, other than that he seems to be a Starfleet officer and a terrorist. What else is there to say?
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Old December 17 2012, 07:15 AM   #5
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

We're name numb.
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Old December 17 2012, 08:08 AM   #6
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

Lord Garth wrote: View Post
EDIT: I did send a text to my brother jokingly saying "JOOOOHHHHNNNN!!!!" in reference to TWOK but that was just something that popped into my head after someone said "The Wrath of John Harrison" doesn't have the same ring to it. Kind of funny actually. Like "The Wrath of Bob".
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Old December 17 2012, 03:11 PM   #7
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

AJBlue98 wrote: View Post
I expected the conversation around The Villain of the Piece to ratchet up following the announcement of the name John Harrison. But that doesn't seem to be happening.

Have we all just decieded, “oh, screw it: we’ll find out at the premiere,” or what?
There is a thread here where someone is claiming a studio insider suggested who John Harrison is an alias for.

But also, I think people are sick of being dicked around bay Bad Robot on this issue, as reflected with this article. Best quote to perfectly sum everything up:

We can't do that without a name, and here's the crazy part — the name barely matters! If I could tell Joe "The Enterprise crew fights Gary Mitchell/Harry Mudd/The Mugatu/Whoever" — the actual name barely matters. The names won't mean anything to regular people anyway. But it'll still be a hell of a lot more interesting than "The Enterprise crew fights... somebody."
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Old December 17 2012, 03:16 PM   #8
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

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But also, I think people are sick of being dicked around bay Bad Robot on this issue, ]
Not really, as reflected in this thread http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=196993

And as for where speculation is AJBlue98, did you even look around?
There are plenty of threads and dozens of pages here filled with speculation. One look at the first couple of pages shows as much.
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Old December 17 2012, 03:51 PM   #9
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

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Have we all just decieded, “oh, screw it: we’ll find out at the premiere,” or what?
I wish!
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Old December 17 2012, 04:17 PM   #10
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

Now that we knw his name, there is virtually no more speculation as to who Cumberbatch is playing. Before we were told his name, the speculation ran the gamut from Khan, Charlie X, Gary Mitchell, Gary Seven, Kang, Arne Darvin -- and even Trelane. However, now we know he is some guy named John Harrison.

As for his motives, again speculation of the villain's MO was all over the place, depending on who it was thought the character might be. Now we know a little more about the character, and there is a lot less speculation.

I think the speculation will again begin to pick up once people start considering what John Harrison may be all worked up about, or when we find out more about the plot (such as if London was destroyed and when, plus what Harrison's relationship is to our Heroes).
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Old December 17 2012, 05:18 PM   #11
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

My bets are that he is Gary Mitchell. John Harrison made it to the galactic barrier and became more powerful.
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Old December 17 2012, 05:25 PM   #12
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

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. . ."The Wrath of John Harrison" doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Old December 17 2012, 05:36 PM   #13
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..."The Wrath of John Harrison" doesn't have the same ring to it. Kind of funny actually. Like "The Wrath of Bob".
I think "The Wrath of Ringo McCartney" would be a better name.

...but then again, that sounds like a "Western/Cowboy" movie.
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Old December 17 2012, 07:25 PM   #14
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Jackson_Roykirk wrote: View Post
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..."The Wrath of John Harrison" doesn't have the same ring to it. Kind of funny actually. Like "The Wrath of Bob".
I think "The Wrath of Ringo McCartney" would be a better name.

...but then again, that sounds like a "Western/Cowboy" movie.
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Old December 20 2012, 07:30 PM   #15
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Re: Where’s all the speculation?

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…And as for where speculation is AJBlue98, did you even look around?
There are plenty of threads and dozens of pages here filled with speculation. One look at the first couple of pages shows as much.
I did look around. There was a lull.
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