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Old December 18 2012, 04:58 AM   #31
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Re: New Uniforms for Into Darkness?

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I feel like I should thank someone for making Uhura's wetsuit slightly open and sexy down the front.
Heh...

We've been requesting that look in STO for some time now...

The best we got was the Vulcan Elf on the Home Page.
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Old December 18 2012, 01:25 PM   #32
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The Corbomite Manuever Star Fleet uniforms should have been changed?

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Really?

That was the first rant: "The Uniforms Must Be The Same!" tm
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Old December 18 2012, 02:07 PM   #33
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But the Enterprise wasn't radically changed.
I think you're on the losing end of that debate.

They could have made the Enterprise look like the one on Trek Remastered or the Defiant episode of Enterprise. Just the same with some subtle plating. And it would have rocked. But they decided to change something that was never broken in the first place.

And the uniforms aren't nearly as day-glo as the 60s originals. The uniforms are a modern superhero costume treatment, where all the colors are intentionally made duller so as not to look so cartoonish. So if some people still think they look silly, well, I guess it's a generational thing. The 60s aesthetic is what made Trek Trek, and part of the reason Enterprise failed as a series (IMHO) is they didn't have the courage to make it intentionally retro. It takes guts to do that, and play it seriously. They chose not to go there, but they could have, and I don't think it would have hurt the box office to do so.
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Old December 18 2012, 03:40 PM   #34
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It still looks like the Enterprise. A real change would have been something like adding a third nacelle, removing the secondary hull, having the nacelles face downwards, changing it into a rocket ship etc. The only changes they made were minor to all but the most obsessive Treknical fans. The same universe, but seen through the eyes of the 2010's instead of the 1960's.
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Old December 18 2012, 04:37 PM   #35
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But the Enterprise wasn't radically changed.
I think you're on the losing end of that debate.

They could have made the Enterprise look like the one on Trek Remastered or the Defiant episode of Enterprise. Just the same with some subtle plating. And it would have rocked.
Umm…no. I enjoyed the nostalgic kick on Enterprise but it would hardly have been appropriate for a big-budget blockbuster. It worked on TV because the vast majority of displays in homes at the time were 40" diagonal or less (16x9). On a PJ screen like in my HT, it was less impressive (and mine is small for a projector screen, at 64"). On a movie screen the size of even "faux" IMAX, it would look seriously out of place.


And the uniforms aren't nearly as day-glo as the 60s originals. The uniforms are a modern superhero costume treatment, where all the colors are intentionally made duller so as not to look so cartoonish. So if some people still think they look silly, well, I guess it's a generational thing. The 60s aesthetic is what made Trek Trek,
If that were true, then no Trek made after that time would have worked at all. I know some people feel that way, but that is hardly a consensus position.

and part of the reason Enterprise failed as a series (IMHO) is they didn't have the courage to make it intentionally retro. It takes guts to do that, and play it seriously. They chose not to go there, but they could have, and I don't think it would have hurt the box office to do so.
It would never have gotten past the internal pilot screening before broadcast, if it even got that far. People buy "retro" for series set in a particular time period (Mad Men, BBC's The Hour, Boardwalk Empire, etc.). They would NOT buy (apart from a few hardcore Trek devotees) a sci-fi series set over 100 years into the future that looked less advanced than the 1960s TV production values of the original. Some would point to Firefly as contrary proof, but that one lasted a lot less long than Enterprise (regardless of the relative merits of each, the fact remains one made more money for its producers than the other and neither is viewed as a "success" in absolute terms). And even in Firefly, the premise was sufficiently different to make its approach more plausible (and its production values, while set in a "retro" world, were still miles ahead of 60s Trek). "Retro" Trek would have had to approximate Forbidden Planet-like aesthetics to be internally consistent with the expectation of purists. And that was NOT going to happen.
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Old December 18 2012, 05:05 PM   #36
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But the Enterprise wasn't radically changed.
I think you're on the losing end of that debate.

They could have made the Enterprise look like the one on Trek Remastered or the Defiant episode of Enterprise. Just the same with some subtle plating. And it would have rocked. But they decided to change something that was never broken in the first place.

And the uniforms aren't nearly as day-glo as the 60s originals. The uniforms are a modern superhero costume treatment, where all the colors are intentionally made duller so as not to look so cartoonish. So if some people still think they look silly, well, I guess it's a generational thing. The 60s aesthetic is what made Trek Trek, and part of the reason Enterprise failed as a series (IMHO) is they didn't have the courage to make it intentionally retro. It takes guts to do that, and play it seriously. They chose not to go there, but they could have, and I don't think it would have hurt the box office to do so.
Shot in the dark here... but I'm guessing you've never worked in Hollywood before. Amiright?
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Old December 18 2012, 05:13 PM   #37
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I think you're on the losing end of that debate.
How about we have the debate and then we decide who won and who lost?
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Old December 18 2012, 09:48 PM   #38
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But the Enterprise wasn't radically changed.
I think you're on the losing end of that debate.

They could have made the Enterprise look like the one on Trek Remastered or the Defiant episode of Enterprise. Just the same with some subtle plating. And it would have rocked. But they decided to change something that was never broken in the first place.

And the uniforms aren't nearly as day-glo as the 60s originals. The uniforms are a modern superhero costume treatment, where all the colors are intentionally made duller so as not to look so cartoonish. So if some people still think they look silly, well, I guess it's a generational thing.
No. Stop.

It's been suggested, time and again, that there's some sort of generational split between people who like the updated look and people who think the original look should have been reproduced exactly, just as it's been repeatedly suggested that the JJ-verse/Abrams-Trek version appeals primarily to newer, younger audiences while the older fans overwhelmingly prefer TOS or other, earlier incarnations of Trek.

But you know what?

That notion falls flat on its face, and does so each and every time. The contention completely and utterly fails to hold water. There was no generational divide where the 2009 movie was concerned, and there won't be one this time, either. Now, if you wish to pretend otherwise, then you go right ahead, but at least be honest about what you're doing, and please don't try to sell the "generational" line to everyone else. Most of the scant few buying into that were already on board long ago.


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Old December 18 2012, 09:54 PM   #39
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And don't forget, everyone should chill out with a bowl of ice cream (flavour of choice, of course).
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Old December 19 2012, 08:46 PM   #40
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On the dress uniforms, I note Kirk has a circle around is Delta badge with hollow star.
His shoulders have four bars on each shoulder.
Scotty doesn't have a circle round his badge and has two bars on each shoulder.
Chekhov again lacks the circle and has one bar on each shoulder.
All have the same stripes or lack of stripes on their cuffs as the first movie.
The Starfleet men wiith the funeral flag lack any bars or stripes and their Delta badges seem to lack hollow department symbol, they do however have the star on their shoulders. Might they be enlisted or ratings?

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Old December 20 2012, 04:36 AM   #41
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Old December 25 2012, 05:25 AM   #42
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I keep being amazed by how many different and how different the uniforms are. They're this mishmash of different esthetics that I find kinda jarring.
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Old December 25 2012, 11:20 AM   #43
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Well there seem to be:

Dress uniform for Headquarters
Long and short sleeve coloured duty ship uniform
A jumpsuit worn over this for more hostile environments.

Away Team with long coats for planets
Space suit
Underwater suit
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