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Old December 16 2012, 12:21 AM   #76
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Re: Very iffy copy of 9 minute trailer

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My favorite part was:

Dude to Cumby: "Who are you?"

Camera Lady: "That's what we all wanna know..."

Oh yeah, she hissed that out real good
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Old December 16 2012, 12:21 AM   #77
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Re: Very iffy copy of 9 minute trailer

Is London in this timeline the first major European city we've seen in Trek besides Paris? Lisbon was mentioned in DS9 a couple of times and Minsk was where Worf was raised by the Rozhenkos so we heard it spoken of on occasion, but unless there's a scene in a past film or TV episode that's slipped my mind this might be the first major European metro area ever depicted in Trek outside of Paris.
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Old December 16 2012, 12:27 AM   #78
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Not that I can think of.

I'd really like to see 23/24C Shanghai or Hong Kong.
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Old December 16 2012, 12:54 AM   #79
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I'd like to see everything.

I'm wondering if you get anything like Coruscant with a dark underbelly or if it's all very civilized.
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Old December 16 2012, 12:57 AM   #80
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Finally watched it, this film is looking better and better so far
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Old December 16 2012, 01:05 AM   #81
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I'm thinking the villain is going to be very interesting.. as in intelligent and understated and mysterious. Not just bad guy detonating.
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Old December 16 2012, 01:08 AM   #82
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He does seem to have some complex personal motivation for once, could be wrong about that but I'm liking how this is shaping up.
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Old December 16 2012, 01:18 AM   #83
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If Dr. Soran had been fully developed as in the movie novelization and original concept of Generations he would have been a much more interesting and three-dimensional villain for Picard and Kirk to fight and not just some obsessed guy who lost his family who'll blow anything and everything up to get back to his personal paradise.

If you've ever read the novel of the 1994 film you know that Tolian Soran was a villain more along the lines of Annorax in Voyager, a profoundly decent and intelligent man who was pushed into inconsolable grief and anger due to the Borg attacking and destroying his homeworld and then being ripped from the Nexus by the Enterprise-B rescue mission. He didn't want to kill and destroy to get back inside the ribbon but his anger at having failed to protect and save his wife Leandra and his children just overwhelmed him, and the addictive effects of the Nexus only made things a whole lot worse.

He was much more textured and sympathetic in the novel than in the film. A shame, really. Malcolm McDowell had more he could have played with had the Beebs let him and not been so concerned with keeping the film at just under two hours in running time.
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Old December 16 2012, 01:24 AM   #84
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There are a few novels I've read over the years that do a better job of telling the story than the movie, and a lot of the time it's simply for setting the motivations for important characters.

This movie though looks like it'll do a decent enough job on it's own, or at least I'm hoping so.
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Old December 16 2012, 01:55 AM   #85
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If Dr. Soran had been fully developed as in the movie novelization and original concept of Generations he would have been a much more interesting and three-dimensional villain for Picard and Kirk to fight and not just some obsessed guy who lost his family who'll blow anything and everything up to get back to his personal paradise.

If you've ever read the novel of the 1994 film you know that Tolian Soran was a villain more along the lines of Annorax in Voyager, a profoundly decent and intelligent man who was pushed into inconsolable grief and anger due to the Borg attacking and destroying his homeworld and then being ripped from the Nexus by the Enterprise-B rescue mission. He didn't want to kill and destroy to get back inside the ribbon but his anger at having failed to protect and save his wife Leandra and his children just overwhelmed him, and the addictive effects of the Nexus only made things a whole lot worse.

He was much more textured and sympathetic in the novel than in the film. A shame, really. Malcolm McDowell had more he could have played with had the Beebs let him and not been so concerned with keeping the film at just under two hours in running time.
And the book gives some meaning to Soran's line about Geordie's heart not being into the interrogation; that bit of dark humour falls completely flat in the film.

Editing can hurt a film sometimes, despite the authors' best efforts.
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Old December 16 2012, 02:51 AM   #86
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I think we got a glimpse of a car or something in All Good Things when Picard visits Data but other than that I think this may be the first "car" we've seen. Well, aside from Kirk's stepdad's Corvette.
Well we saw this car, the 'Jupiter 8' in 'Bread and Circuses'

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Old December 16 2012, 02:54 AM   #87
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Re: Very iffy copy of 9 minute trailer

The blondes on Planet 892-IV were hot.
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Old December 16 2012, 02:54 AM   #88
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There are a few novels I've read over the years that do a better job of telling the story than the movie, and a lot of the time it's simply for setting the motivations for important characters.
Normally I would agree with you, but there's something about Trek that makes it an odd duckling in this regard. I'm sure most would disagree, but I think the TMP, TWOK, TFF, GEN, and NEM novelizations are all better than their respective films. And TSFS and TUC I'd put at a wash.

I never read the ST09 novel. Interestingly enough, I haven't read FC or INS either and I have both sitting on a shelf. In fact, they've hardly ever been touched.

GEN was the first of the novels I'd ever read. Actually, I got the audio book (with the awesome Johnny De Lancie doing the narration) as a gift before I went to see the film. Eddie is right; Soran is so much stronger in the novel. And really, I think experiencing it first made be hate the film less as I tend to think of it way more fondly than most Trek fans.

While we're on the subject, did I read somewhere Greg is doing the novel for STID?
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Old December 16 2012, 02:57 AM   #89
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That would be fantastic!!
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Isn't Alan Dean Foster doing the STID novelization?
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