What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID?

Xaios · December 15 2012, 12:33 AM

One of the things that I personally enjoyed about Star Trek 2009 were all the callbacks and homages to Star Trek of old. The movie was literally littered with them. Some were overt, such as "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a physicist." Some of them were more subtle, such as Spock's dressing down of Kirk in front of the academic committee mirroring his conversation with David at the end of Wrath of Khan.

While some people viewed the endless references as a sign that the movie couldn't stand on its own without falling back on Old Trek, I didn't see it that way. Having said that, I do kind of hope there are fewer references this time around.

Now, having said THAT... there are still some things that I'd like to see. At the end of Star Trek 2009, they played an arrangement of Alexander Courage's original Star Trek theme. What I would personally like to see is the same treatment (or even more so) be given to Jerry Goldsmith's theme for Star Trek TMP (which was of course reused for Final Frontier and TNG). For me, that theme (combined with the fanfare from Alexander Courage's theme, the way it was done in Final Frontier) has always been the theme for Star Trek, even more so than AC's theme. Blasphemous, I know.

Another thing that I think could be used for good dramatic effect is a mirror of the conversation that Kirk has with Carol Marcus after they're stranding inside Regula, where they're talking about David. I know it's been spoiled that there's supposedly no romance between them in Star Trek Into Darkness, but of course there could still be down the road. The setup would be them having a son together, and Kirk faultering in his relationship with both Carol and said son (assuming David), leading Carol to tell him "Are we together? Are we going to be? You have your world, and I have mine, and I want him in mine!" To me, that would be chilling.

Is there anything that you hope they reference, either overtly or subtely?

Admiral Buzzkill · December 15 2012, 12:44 AM

Well there are at least two lines of dialogue in the first nine minutes that are borrowed from oldTrek - one of McCoy's lines is from "The Immunity Syndrome" and one of Spocks is from TWOK. So you've gotta figure there will be lots more.

King Daniel · December 15 2012, 12:46 AM

The want to hear the classic fight music! I can't imagine how they could make it work in a modern film, but I'd love to see them try.

Just from the teaser trailer, I see more of the TMP-inspired Admiral's dress uniforms, which was a cool touch at the end of Star Trek. The chunky red railing in the Enterprise corridors was cool to see too.

In the 9-minute preview...

I think Carol Marcus just being there is a HUGE nod to Wrath of Khan. I'm not sure they need any more than we've got already!

lurok · December 15 2012, 12:53 AM

Hopefully non/nu-Trek fans will enjoy the homages, even if they don't get references. Though someone is bound to say "Hey, isn't that 'needs of the many' from Transformers 3?"

Me...I'll be sitting there grinning like a Cheshire cat.

Mr. Laser Beam · December 15 2012, 12:54 AM

I want to hear somebody say "Double dumbass on you".

mdtauk · December 15 2012, 01:00 AM

I would like to hear some planet names mentioned, like Betazed, or Risa. Also perhaps some Ship names like the Stargazer etc

Admiral Buzzkill · December 15 2012, 03:58 AM

Hey, last time we got "Delta Vega" - and that was very popular.

Greg Cox · December 15 2012, 04:04 AM

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

I want to hear somebody say "Double dumbass on you".

The hell you do.

Ovation · December 15 2012, 04:17 AM

Is it time for a colourful metaphor?

Greg Cox · December 15 2012, 04:19 AM

Ovation wrote:

Is it time for a colourful metaphor?

It's always time for a colorful metaphor!

Ovation · December 15 2012, 05:03 AM

Greg Cox wrote:

Ovation wrote:

Is it time for a colourful metaphor?

It's always time for a colorful metaphor!

Phily B · December 15 2012, 07:07 AM

More of the Jerry Goldsmith theme..

trekker670 · December 15 2012, 07:08 AM

Phily B wrote:

More of the Jerry Goldsmith theme..

And by Jerry Goldsmith, you mean Alexander Courage

The Wormhole · December 15 2012, 06:24 PM

GNDN

JarodRussell · December 15 2012, 06:30 PM

trekker670 wrote:

Phily B wrote:

More of the Jerry Goldsmith theme..

And by Jerry Goldsmith, you mean Alexander Courage

If he did, I mean Jerry Goldsmith.

December 15 2012, 12:33 AM	#1
Xaios Lieutenant Commander	What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? One of the things that I personally enjoyed about Star Trek 2009 were all the callbacks and homages to Star Trek of old. The movie was literally littered with them. Some were overt, such as "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a physicist." Some of them were more subtle, such as Spock's dressing down of Kirk in front of the academic committee mirroring his conversation with David at the end of Wrath of Khan. While some people viewed the endless references as a sign that the movie couldn't stand on its own without falling back on Old Trek, I didn't see it that way. Having said that, I do kind of hope there are fewer references this time around. Now, having said THAT... there are still some things that I'd like to see. At the end of Star Trek 2009, they played an arrangement of Alexander Courage's original Star Trek theme. What I would personally like to see is the same treatment (or even more so) be given to Jerry Goldsmith's theme for Star Trek TMP (which was of course reused for Final Frontier and TNG). For me, that theme (combined with the fanfare from Alexander Courage's theme, the way it was done in Final Frontier) has always been the theme for Star Trek, even more so than AC's theme. Blasphemous, I know. Another thing that I think could be used for good dramatic effect is a mirror of the conversation that Kirk has with Carol Marcus after they're stranding inside Regula, where they're talking about David. I know it's been spoiled that there's supposedly no romance between them in Star Trek Into Darkness, but of course there could still be down the road. The setup would be them having a son together, and Kirk faultering in his relationship with both Carol and said son (assuming David), leading Carol to tell him "Are we together? Are we going to be? You have your world, and I have mine, and I want him in mine!" To me, that would be chilling. Is there anything that you hope they reference, either overtly or subtely?

December 15 2012, 12:44 AM	#2
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? Well there are at least two lines of dialogue in the first nine minutes that are borrowed from oldTrek - one of McCoy's lines is from "The Immunity Syndrome" and one of Spocks is from TWOK. So you've gotta figure there will be lots more. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 15 2012, 12:46 AM	#3
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? The want to hear the classic fight music! I can't imagine how they could make it work in a modern film, but I'd love to see them try. Just from the teaser trailer, I see more of the TMP-inspired Admiral's dress uniforms, which was a cool touch at the end of Star Trek. The chunky red railing in the Enterprise corridors was cool to see too. In the 9-minute preview... Spock says the "Needs of the many..." line from "Wrath of Khan" and McCoy says "Shut up Spock, we're rescuing you!" from "The Immunity Syndrome" I think Carol Marcus just being there is a HUGE nod to Wrath of Khan. I'm not sure they need any more than we've got already! __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

December 15 2012, 12:53 AM	#4
lurok Commodore Location: Lost In The EU Expanse	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? Hopefully non/nu-Trek fans will enjoy the homages, even if they don't get references. Though someone is bound to say "Hey, isn't that 'needs of the many' from Transformers 3?" Me...I'll be sitting there grinning like a Cheshire cat.

December 15 2012, 12:54 AM	#5
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? I want to hear somebody say "Double dumbass on you". __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

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December 15 2012, 01:00 AM	#6
mdtauk Ensign	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? I would like to hear some planet names mentioned, like Betazed, or Risa. Also perhaps some Ship names like the Stargazer etc

December 15 2012, 03:58 AM	#7
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? Hey, last time we got "Delta Vega" - and that was very popular. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

December 15 2012, 04:17 AM	#9
Ovation Vice Admiral Location: La Belle Province or The Green Mountain State (depends on the day of the week)	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? Is it time for a colourful metaphor?

December 15 2012, 07:07 AM	#12
Phily B Fleet Captain Location: United Kingdom	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? More of the Jerry Goldsmith theme..

December 15 2012, 06:24 PM	#14
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: What homages to ST-Prime shows/films do you WANT to see in STID? GNDN __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.