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Old December 18 2012, 06:39 AM   #16
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Re: Young Justice, Green Lantern return January 5th

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Which would explain their disappointment. If they couldn't even get a toy company interested in the license, then the show hasn't succeeded at selling toys, and that seems to be their standard.
Which is odd, considering they're a broadcasting company, not a toy company...
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Old December 18 2012, 04:02 PM   #17
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^Still, they needed revenue.

A cartoon with no toyline?
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Old December 18 2012, 05:03 PM   #18
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Re: Young Justice, Green Lantern return January 5th

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Which would explain their disappointment. If they couldn't even get a toy company interested in the license, then the show hasn't succeeded at selling toys, and that seems to be their standard.
Which is odd, considering they're a broadcasting company, not a toy company...
Ahhh...to be young again...
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Old December 18 2012, 05:21 PM   #19
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Which is odd, considering they're a broadcasting company, not a toy company...
It's not odd at all; it's simply how commercial television works. Studios and broadcasters need money to make and air their shows. They get that money from corporations that believe those shows can help advertise their products, so that the money they invest in making the show will be more than paid back in profits from selling their stuff.

For decades, the production of animated television shows has been funded in part by toy companies that developed and sold toy lines that tied into the shows. This has been the case since the 1980s, when most animated shows were little more than half-hour commercials for pre-existing toy lines like Masters of the Universe, Transformers, GI Joe, MASK, My Little Pony, Strawberry Shortcake, etc. But even cartoons that aren't based on existing toy lines have needed the support of a toy line in order to get adequate funding. Hence we've had things like the Batman: The Animated Series toy line that put Batman in dozens of variant costumes and equipment sets that never actually appeared on the show. Hence Gargoyles had to give the winged heroes their own helicopter as a prospective toy tie-in (though I don't think the toy ever went on the market). And so on.

So it's just the nature of the business these days that cartoons and toy lines have a symbiotic relationship. Without a toy company willing to develop a line of merchandise to help fund the show, the studio can't afford to make the show. At least, not if it's as top-grade a production as Young Justice. That gorgeous animation, sophisticated writing, and quality casting don't come cheap.
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Old December 18 2012, 09:11 PM   #20
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There was more separation between the producer and broadcaster at one time though. I think in the past the toy line funded production of the material but the broadcaster didn't have their hands as directly in the pie when it came to the profits.

Of course, it does make you wonder about certain shows. I can't picture Sym-Bionic Titan or Secret Saturdays being very good merchandise fodder. If it's so important to CN it seems odd to choose something like that.
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Old December 18 2012, 09:19 PM   #21
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There was more separation between the producer and broadcaster at one time though. I think in the past the toy line funded production of the material but the broadcaster didn't have their hands as directly in the pie when it came to the profits.
Yeah, there's not that much distinction between Cartoon Network and Warner Bros. Animation these days.

Of course, it does make you wonder about certain shows. I can't picture Sym-Bionic Titan or Secret Saturdays being very good merchandise fodder. If it's so important to CN it seems odd to choose something like that.
Well, like I said, maybe budget has something to do with it. YJ and GL seem to be more lavish productions. The more expensive a show is to make, the harder it is to keep it on the air. But that's just speculation.
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Old December 18 2012, 10:55 PM   #22
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I just want CN to put down the dead horse that is "Young Justice"

They've dragged the show for too long. Also alot of tie-in material is being canceled. All the show has is the cartoon itself and the video game.

-No toys
-Comic series is ending

There's nothing to sustain/provide income.


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Old December 19 2012, 05:55 AM   #23
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There was more separation between the producer and broadcaster at one time though. I think in the past the toy line funded production of the material but the broadcaster didn't have their hands as directly in the pie when it came to the profits.
Yeah, there's not that much distinction between Cartoon Network and Warner Bros. Animation these days.

Of course, it does make you wonder about certain shows. I can't picture Sym-Bionic Titan or Secret Saturdays being very good merchandise fodder. If it's so important to CN it seems odd to choose something like that.
Well, like I said, maybe budget has something to do with it. YJ and GL seem to be more lavish productions. The more expensive a show is to make, the harder it is to keep it on the air. But that's just speculation.
Are SBT and SS based on preexisting properties? I'm thinking they probably owe DC a fair amount for the properties.
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Old December 19 2012, 08:02 AM   #24
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I know in the case of Titan that it has been said to have been cancelled due to lack of merchandise so I don't think it's as simple as YJ costing more.
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Old December 19 2012, 02:47 PM   #25
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Of course, it does make you wonder about certain shows. I can't picture Sym-Bionic Titan or Secret Saturdays being very good merchandise fodder. If it's so important to CN it seems odd to choose something like that.
Well, like I said, maybe budget has something to do with it. YJ and GL seem to be more lavish productions. The more expensive a show is to make, the harder it is to keep it on the air. But that's just speculation.
Are SBT and SS based on preexisting properties? I'm thinking they probably owe DC a fair amount for the properties.
No. Sym-Bionic Titan was an original creation of Genndy Tartakovsky (creator of Dexter's Laboratory and Samurai Jack and director of the 2D Star Wars: Clone Wars "microseries"), and The Secret Saturdays was a Jonny Quest-inspired adventure series created by Canadian animator Jay Stephens.

So yeah, you may be right. Even though Cartoon Network, Warner Bros. Animation, and DC Entertainment are all under the same corporate umbrella, the network would still have to pay DC for the license to the comics characters, which would make those shows more expensive than their originals.

Of course, both Titan and Saturdays have also been cancelled, the former lasting one season and the latter running for two. So those aren't the best comparisons.

The best-performing property on CN these days seems to be the Ben 10 franchise, which was an original creation but is also a merchandising juggernaut.
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Old December 19 2012, 03:02 PM   #26
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Well, at the end of the day I'm glad we got to see two seasons of Young Justice; and it would seem that YJ will ultimately get better treatment than Generator Rex.

But if indications hold (with both YJ and GL cancelled), it would look like Beware the Batman and Tiny Teen Titans will be paired for DC Nation phase two. That assumes that even DC Nation itself will survive.
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Old December 19 2012, 06:02 PM   #27
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Does anyone know if there's an y plans to release the DC Nation Shorts on DVD? I'd be into that.
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Old December 20 2012, 06:39 AM   #28
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They have a new "coming soon" trailer for YJ up on the DC Nation Facebook page.
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Old January 5 2013, 04:17 PM   #29
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Well its back.

How long its back is the real question....

Watching Green Lantern reminds me what a real tragedy it would be if it a YJ get canceled. The shows are so good, and much better than most of the stuff on CN.
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Old January 6 2013, 03:29 AM   #30
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Wow..its been awhile..anyway

Excellent news about Young Justice. It started off kinda "meh" especially while i was comparing it to Gargoyles, but ive fallen in love. Glad its back!
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