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Old June 27 2013, 08:09 AM   #676
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Oh what? NO, it was cool! Don't forget it was slapped together by Stahma who had to work around the cancellation. And they are in a frontier post apocalyptic town so they don't exactly have all the bells and whistles.
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Old June 27 2013, 09:01 AM   #677
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Oh what? NO, it was cool! Don't forget it was slapped together by Stahma who had to work around the cancellation. And they are in a frontier post apocalyptic town so they don't exactly have all the bells and whistles.
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Old June 27 2013, 09:03 AM   #678
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Yes its post-apocalyptic, but what is stopping them from manufacturing things on a large scale again? They still have the manpower. They still have know-how about mechanical engineering, production lines and such. They obviously have gulanite powered engines, so a 1900s industrial era factory is still possible.
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Old June 27 2013, 09:23 AM   #679
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The terraforming was complete.

They said that every city was demolished, but considering the importance and rise of New York, I'm thinking that every city on the mainland was destroyed. The water would have protected the islands that make up New York City, and other cities off the coast land.

But the mainland would have been frakked.

The interstate highways are gone.

The railways are gone too.

And Air travel is impossible, or too dangerous.

They can build factories and whatever, they're not stupid, but the only reliable method of mass freight transit they have is boats. So it's almost impossible to disseminate any freight of any classification to any "city" more than a few miles from a large water way.

They wouldn't build a city where Defiance is except for the mine.

Even with the mine it's still a stupid place for people to live.
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Old June 27 2013, 10:38 AM   #680
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The islands of NYC are not out in some great sea, you can walk across short bridges to the mainland on some. They are nestled right up against the mainland and those little bits of water (easily swum in some places) would not protect NYC from anything.
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Old June 27 2013, 11:15 AM   #681
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It's a half hour ferry ride I thought?

Any shorter and the cheaper bastards would just swim.

From what little was described on the show (and a fraction that I read online, which is mushing) they said that everything solid became liquid, the topography was whammied as flora and fauna were seeded per some master plan decided upon 5000 years earlier.

What literally are the terraformers thousands of Satellites issuing destructive beams that turn over the Earth like we do with a spade between plantings in a cabbage patch, millions of missiles that burrow under (Like the shadow death clouds on Babylon 5) and then blast a million tones of earth into the air each. Or a nanite storm?

Was it "relatively" instantaneous, or did the transition take years?

If sections of the planet were done one piece at a time in a systematic manner, the humans would be able to run away or around what every effect was going on that might have appeared to be creeping super storms that each turned entire States or small countries into inescapable death zones.

This glowing shit they're using for fuel now, was that always there or did the Terraformers seed it? Is it from the Voltan homeworld, the emergency fuel supply if they had to pick a new home if Earth was unusable? Or was it collected on the way to Earth in ramscoops?

The smart guy who weaponized this stuff was in Nolan's jail cell so you have to suppose that whatever it is, not it's name, it's composition, is "new" to the Voltan's since they found Earth.
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Old July 2 2013, 12:04 PM   #682
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Past is Prologue: Wow. That was all kinds of awful. The use of "Time after Time" at the end was almost too embarrassing to listen to.

I did enjoy Stahma trump carding Kenya, it always seemed likely she was playing her.

I'm also thinking Datak will win the election and then give the E-Rep a big fuck you. Of course there will be the scene where he has to ask the current mayor to help.

And I'm still loving the jumble of freight cars, emergency shelters and tin sheds piled atop each other that makes up the town. I wish we saw more indoor scenes in these areas and didn't have to look at that dreary government building so often.



After the last one though this was a mess.
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Old July 2 2013, 12:21 PM   #683
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Whenever someone says da tak tar, do you think tick tac toe?
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Old July 2 2013, 12:29 PM   #684
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No it makes me think of draytek, the brand of my modem.
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Old July 2 2013, 02:22 PM   #685
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Yeah, this week's was kind of meh. The election storyline is starting to remind me a bit of BSG's presidential election and I get the feeling that if Datak wins we're going to get a Defiance version of the New Caprica storyline with the town essentially under E-REP occupation. And in a shocking twist (note the sarcasm) we learn Stahma was playing Kenya all along.

While I get everything with Alak's friend getting shot by Nolan was all part of Datak's plan to discredit him and make Amanda look bad resulting in Datak winning the election and probably have someone from E-REP tak over the town's law enforcement, I don't buy that it would be so easy to vilify Nolan. After all, in real life if the security forces at an election rally spotted someone with what looked like a sniper rifle, they would shoot first and ask questions later. Especially if they had intel suggesting someone was going to make an attempt to kill the candidates. While it's unfortunate and tragic that this would-be assassin was really just a kid with a paintball gun planning a stupid prank, it is clear Nolan reacted in a justifiable and appropriate manner.

And so, Irisa's destiny is somehow tied into the mysterious alien artifact left behind by ancient astronauts. To be honest, I', just not interested in the artifact anymore.
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Old July 2 2013, 04:59 PM   #686
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Wow. I thought this was one of the best episodes of the series so far. I haven't been this impressed with a Michael Taylor script since DS9. The political maneuvering by the Tarrs was very deft and thorough (though it's a bit contrived in that they had no way to be sure Nolan would be the one to spot/shoot the "assassin," rather than Irisa or Tommy doing it, or nobody stopping him before he fired). And we finally get some answers about Irisa that are more interesting than another oogy-boogy mystical Chosen One cliche and that tie her arc into the larger seasonal arc.
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Old July 2 2013, 05:16 PM   #687
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They fell short.

The only way this worked was if they had killed Kenya before she revealed who the snitch was.
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Old July 2 2013, 05:47 PM   #688
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I agree, it's a plot hole that they didn't dispose of Kenya. But maybe they have a plan for discrediting her some other way. We'll see.
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Old July 2 2013, 08:17 PM   #689
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For what it's worth, the ep got a rave review at io9.com today.

I found it pretty compelling stuff. Can't wait to see what they come up with for the season finale.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:24 PM   #690
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So, was this "relationship" with Kenya planned from the beginning by Datak and carried out by Stahma... or did Stahma plan it from the beginning and let him in on it when it could suit him?
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