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Old April 26 2013, 04:44 PM   #286
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So, what did everyone think of tonight's episode? Nice seeing them explore the remains of old St Louis and all that.
As a St. Louis native I enjoyed the little nods to the city - the mention of toasted ravioli and gooey butter cake, and the fact that the Old St. Louis skyline showed the Eagleton federal building and Met Square (where I used to work!)

Overall I'm enjoying both the show and the game (although to be fair I got the game for free so my expectations are very low ... )
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Old April 26 2013, 06:32 PM   #287
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I bought the game, haven't played it yet though.
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Old April 26 2013, 07:54 PM   #288
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Okay, "toasted ravioli" is something I'd like to hear more about. How does that work?
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Old April 27 2013, 08:07 AM   #289
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You take some raviloi and dip them in breadcrumbs and then deep fry them.
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Old April 27 2013, 02:32 PM   #290
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I think if it wasn't for the fact that some of my shows have ended for the season (The Walking Dead) and others are wrapping up in a few weeks, I would have given up on Defiance. However, when these shows are done for the season and my DVR is light on shows, I'll at least have Defiance. Though, I'll have to re-evaluate it after this season. It reminds me of how I felt about Caprica and Stargate: Universe in that I didn't dislike them, I just didn't find anything to love about them, either.

Part of what frustrates me is that I don't know what I want out of the show. It's missing the wit and Whedonism of firefly, the corny/meta humor of Eureka, the nail-biting tension/desperation/post-apocalyptic feel of shows like The Walking Dead and Battlestar Galactica, etc.

I want more fleshing out of this world. The pilot hinted at trade agreements with other settlements, but so far we haven't seen any indication of what the town has versus what it lacks. For that matter, what are they eating? With what we've seen of the terraforming, I wouldn't be surprised if our staples were gone/mutated. For instance, salad, can they still grow lettuce, cucumbers, carrots, etc., or is it all alien vegetables? Or, even better, something not quite Earthen, but not quite alien, to reflect the effect of alien terraforming on our land. What about meat? Are they eating hamburgers, pork, etc. or something else?
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Old April 27 2013, 02:54 PM   #291
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^^^Yes, these are interesting questions. A solid fictional background, made with solid science and stylish fictional stylish, would make the series stronger. Insofar as the show is maybe about disparate cultures uniting in a fraternal or democratic society, attention to the nuts and bolts would help them take the theme seriously.

But it's already so intensely faux-Western that it really doesn't seem like these people are handicapped by the idiot idea that SF is a subgenre of fantasy, meaning anything goes. Hanging a lantern, as in the dialogue about the duster, doesn't change anything. The game tie-in, in particular, suggests they are committed to other goals than a good SF style.

PS Does anybody know what they're mining? You would think it would be St. Louis, but that's not the way it sounded or looked in the last episode.
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Old April 27 2013, 03:08 PM   #292
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What about meat? Are they eating hamburgers, pork, etc. or something else?
In the video game farms (at least in the San Francisco Bay area) are raising pows - pig/cow hybrids.
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Old April 27 2013, 03:16 PM   #293
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You take some raviloi and dip them in breadcrumbs and then deep fry them.
Eww. That sounds a lot less appealing. That's not even toasted ravioli -- it's deep-fried, breaded ravioli.


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For that matter, what are they eating? With what we've seen of the terraforming, I wouldn't be surprised if our staples were gone/mutated. For instance, salad, can they still grow lettuce, cucumbers, carrots, etc., or is it all alien vegetables? Or, even better, something not quite Earthen, but not quite alien, to reflect the effect of alien terraforming on our land. What about meat? Are they eating hamburgers, pork, etc. or something else?
We've seen meals being served at the McCawley household in both episodes so far. According to the "Inside Defiance" feature on the website (image 8), they're eating green-yolked eggs in one scene (not sure if they had ham, though). The text reads, "The genetic mutations brought on by terraforming killed much of the world's livestock and introduced some bizarre new species."

Given how much thought the creators have clearly put into the worldbuilding for the multimedia stuff, I'm sure it'll be explored on the show as well. I think that so far they've done a good job hinting at the larger world without being too stilted in the exposition and without getting in the way of the focus on character and story.
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Old April 27 2013, 03:20 PM   #294
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You take some raviloi and dip them in breadcrumbs and then deep fry them.
Do you put any kind of sauce on the result?

You know what bugs me, the miner guy's house. It's big and normal and full of matching plates and stuff. And the mayor's office does not look anything like the ramshackle town.. did they find the nice chairs and things in old St. Louis? Because they sure aren't going to be wasting resources making nice leather couches or whatever.

Deserter guy's family is living in a shed drinking out of old jam jars.
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What about meat? Are they eating hamburgers, pork, etc. or something else?
In the video game farms (at least in the San Francisco Bay area) are raising pows - pig/cow hybrids.
How many stomachs do pows have?
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Old April 27 2013, 05:22 PM   #296
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You take some raviloi and dip them in breadcrumbs and then deep fry them.
Eww. That sounds a lot less appealing. That's not even toasted ravioli -- it's deep-fried, breaded ravioli.
Alternate recipes (originating outside St Louis), they can be baked instead of fried.
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Old April 27 2013, 05:43 PM   #297
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^Which still isn't toasted. I'm just getting more confused.
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Old April 27 2013, 05:57 PM   #298
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While a popular dish, after hours of trying to get raviolis out of the toaster, they found alernate cooking methods.
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Old April 27 2013, 06:06 PM   #299
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^Which still isn't toasted. I'm just getting more confused.
Boy, wait til you learn about hamburgers.
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Old April 27 2013, 06:14 PM   #300
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Boy, wait til you learn about hamburgers.
Yeah... they don't even make them out of people from Hamburg.
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